JoeC

Thank you for doing your part in guaranteeing that the Sox never sign a high pedigree arm out of the draft ever again in the future.

I wish I could thumbs down a post.... but I half cynically agree.

...or... adjusted for relative payroll impact, a little less than 1 Leury ($5.5MM on Sox's 2022 payroll is about $7.5M on LA's 2022 payroll)

You think they’re willing to trade for a back-end-bullpen arm with us again?

He needs 2 things to be a starter - a third pitch and to stretch out his arm. not sure if both are attainable.

I am OK with that combo at 2B if they figure out the corner OF positions.

…or, to look at it another way, the analytical guys who showed some success in a nonanalytical organization have fled to a team that is hopefully looking for a growth in its analytical approach.

He did objectively lead the Sox to having the highest batting average in the league. That emphasis is literally what made him a failure.

Touche. I should have specified directional development.

Plus they didn't develop him. They're relying on his innate talent to sink or swim. This org does a horseshit job at working with players to help them grow.

My point is that if the Sox fail, it should remove any and all doubt in anyone's minds. There will be literally zero excuse at all. Your mind is clearly made up. My mind is 80% made up. 2023 would remove doubt from the other 20%.

Also, to me this is the time to truly hold Hahn’s feet to the fire. This was his first actual leadership hire to lead the team in a supposed contention window. No more equivocation about it being TLR’s fault / JR’s fault for the TLR hire.

I do like his embracing of analytics. About f’ing time we got someone like that.

The more i read about him, the more i like him.…. Which probably just means that the sycophantic media is doing its job well

…so… can we finally put this thread to bed now?

I mean, he DOES come from a winning organization... at least in H2H against the Sox this year.

So they are saying that an elite athlete in his 20’s acted arrogantly? Mark this one down for the history books, folks. Hopefully something like this never happens again.

I interpret that as "I trust colleges to develop players better than our minor league system." If you have a good player development system, you want to get players into that pipeline as soon as you can.

I figured he'd smile once he made this a sticking point to hold up the next CBA negotiations, ignoring the fact that managers aren't part of the union and therefore have nothing to do with the negotiations.

Yeah, the concept of babying someone's pitching arm is a relatively recent phenomenon in Japan. You still see "ace" pitchers at Koshien (annual high school baseball tournament, akin to basketball Final Four) throwing an ungodly number of pitches... and society glorifies these guys.

Not gonna lie - I had a mini heart attack when I misread "TL;DR" as "TLR."

To me, the biggest organizational failure going back to the KW era is in its inability to draft and develop.

Why? Discouraging preemptive unfounded outrage would basically be the end of Soxtalk.

Don't let TLR be the Billy Martin to Jerry....

I mean, it's weird that Ozzie is being interviewed if you assume that they're interviewing him to be the manager. Note that the tweet doesn't say why they're interviewing him ?