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QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:54 AM) Yeah, let's get a physical defenseman. The Hawks have shown year after year that they definitely rely on their hard hitting, nasty attitude. Get more of those. The fast, highly skilled kind (Keith), shot blocking, stay at home, do anything for the team kind (Hjalmarsson) and clutch kind (Seabrook) don't cut it in this league anymore. and your point is???

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:30 AM) What are you even arguing anymore? Every trade Bowman has made this offseason has been about winning the Cup in 2015-16. In the Sharp trade, he got a 33 year old D man, the trade made the Hawks older. That is about winning now. The Saad trade got active players, not draft picks. And what trade did he miss in 2014 that would have guaranteed a Cup. That team may have been better than the 2015 team, but s*** happens in the Stanley Cup playoffs. just b/c he made those trades, but every trade are not quality trades. come on, think about it, anyone can used the "well he meant it to help" line, to justify it, but it doesn't mean it was a good trade.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:13 AM) Read your own words. "damn if you do" = "won a stanley cup." I wish every sports team I'm a fan of could be d*mned if they did based on that standard. If you want to criticize him based on the 2015 offseason I can listen to that. If you want to tell me how he did something wrong in 2014 by not planning for the 2015 offseason you can see my previous answer. Take the Cup and then figure out the next step. You've got a team capable of winning the Stanley Cup, who cares about the next offseason's troubles? The Hawks have followed that rule 3+ times now. Counting the trade with New Jersey last year they've had to follow that rule at least 4 times now, every time they've finished the season they've had to let people go for less than they were worth in order to keep a Cup-ready team on the ice and it keeps working. So yes, they are selling people off from a losing position. They're in a position where people know they need to make trades. And while they're doing that, they've won 3 cups and been 1 overtime away from a 4th. I don't know Hockey, I don't know the exact cap rules, but you start saying that they should weaken the team in 2014 to avoid these kind of problems in 2015 and even I have to get into this against you. again, let me explained, i am not criticizing him based on his not doing anything in 2014. i am not even holding any grudges b/c of anything on 2014. i was using 2014 as an example if i was to be petty. on season 2015, i defended him on his last 2 trades, where some posters on this site were criticizing him for giving up a first rounder. it is posted on the last 2 or 3 pages of the old thread that was closed. this part of my criticizing is coming from this yr draft day moves or lack of till now. again, look at what i wrote, i am not ranting on the trading in principal i am complaining on the quality of the trades and how it all started. by bowman not being prepared and asking for some outrageous rtn, if the sports sites, not rumors site are to be believed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 02:58 AM) And if your rant reads as "they should have made these trades back in 2014"...my answer is simple. No. ok for this, you made a point. let me clarify again. the hawks had the makings of doing a good run in 14...... bowman was hesitant to pull the trigger on a trade. no one can fault him. hindsight is in play here. all i was saying is damn if you do and damn if you don't. but he wasn't prepared this offseason. i am not ranting against him b/c he didn't do the trade...... he reminds me of Keenan the old hawk coach and gm. he would make these late season trades, trading prospects and picks for vet players. those picks may take 3-4 yrs to develop. the winning in the playoff is now.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:34 AM) There's really nothing to worry about. If the Sox play themselves into legitimate contention before the deadline then I don't think they'll trash what they've done. However, if they don't play themselves back into it (and hovering around .500 is not "into it") then they will deal. Seems like Hahn has basically said as much. Now, the bigger issue for me is that even if they do manage to start legitimately contending for the WC, you have to ask is that enough? Is that worth standing pat, just to have a chance to contend for a WC spot in the last 2 months. Or should you only stand pat if you feel you have a team that can not only win a WC but a world series....that's the rub, IMO. Are you in this for parades in October or banners to hang in the spring? and that is what i keep thinking. it is driving me crazy. oh well that is a short walk.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:30 AM) The 2014 Hawks were eliminated in the Western Conference Finals in game 7, in overtime, on a deflection, by the team that won the 2012 Cup, and made the 2013 WCF. What trade exactly would have changed that outcome? Playoff hockey can be a coin flip at times, but apparently you blame it all on Bowman. That was the only series they lost in their last 11, that is crazy in modern day salary cap hockey. Where is this demigod worship anyway? Nobody is happy that Johns was traded away, he has been criticized for that on this board plenty. But they are less than a month from winning the Cup, some people are willing to let the season play out first, as opposed to you basing everything on message board rumors. no not really, it was as if many were just saying that he help in getting the silver cups. that was the whole extent of that discussion. i defended bowman before the draft, on the other thread. i stated, while some may not have like his trade that got the team 2 players, 1 was important in helping. for me, trading a possible last pick in the first round was well worth loosing it to get the SC. look it up. there is more moves to come.... count on it. i just hope the one move i heard is wrong.....

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:32 AM) I know very little about hockey but if you're going to tell me the Hawks should have done something different on the path to assembling a team than won the Stanley Cup because long term it might have improved their roster. No. no. and not making trades is also wrong. the hawks needed to make these trades esp for salary reasons alone. these trades to me, look like desperation trades, and i may be wrong. again for me, what was the catalyst that triggered this trades, very 1 sided trades. plus, i still think, and this is my opinion, he waited too long on several possible trades and got screwed in the Saad. again to me, he wasn't fully prepared for this. this is my next rant. I want MORE Stanley Cups.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 03:14 AM) No way of telling. The Sox were miserable for so long they wouldn't have beaten anybody playing like that. They still are a pathetic hitting team and up to the last few games have sucked on defense. There's no way to believe in this team until it does it. I mean if the Sox lose tomorrow and start the second half by losing 3 or 4 to KC, they will be the same lousy team they've been a majority of the season. If they win Sunday and take all 4 from KC eyebrows can finally be raised. it is great being able to see this success in a very horrible season. so far. but beating the northsiders, for the last 2 games, is sweet. but on this time, the sox players came in hype and charge. and i will take that. i just hope this can continue.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) So, this NHL 2015-16 thread is officially the LDF 2015-16 thread, right? and btw, i post my belief, i usually don't chg it, b/c most feels differently about it. i will stand up for what i believe and if posters want to take cheap shots, go ahead. if someone wants to debate what i wrote, sure. i will. why is it, if someone is not in the IN-CROWD, of follow the leader, ........ well i will let you figure that one out. i am not always right. but i am not always wrong. this is a sports forum.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 11:57 PM) Not the first one yesterday. The thing about Micah is that he's not that great of a hitter. If he were an above average hitter, his defensive miscues would be excusable. Sanchez is a godawful hitter though. I don't know if Sanchez is the second worst player in baseball, but he's definitely not a net positive at this point. i keep hearing the sanchez bashing. most b/c of his lack of offense...... what about adding beckham in that statement.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) Aren't you the guy that refuses to acknowledge any potential lineups because you don't like to talk about what may or may happen, yet you are 100% fine with basing your expectations set by posters on message boards and what rumors may be out there by reporters on a potential return. They aren't facts. It's why your expectations are so skewed, and why everyone seems to argue with only you in this thread. oops i forgot one thing, potential lineup based on what someone hope is nothing but fantasy..... come on....

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) Aren't you the guy that refuses to acknowledge any potential lineups because you don't like to talk about what may or may happen, yet you are 100% fine with basing your expectations set by posters on message boards and what rumors may be out there by reporters on a potential return. They aren't facts. It's why your expectations are so skewed, and why everyone seems to argue with only you in this thread. nah you are right, there is a fine line to walk in that, people who comes up with crazy post, without any ideas of what they are talking about it one thing. then there are those who will read and make a dash to post it, so they can be #1 in posting it, is another. i like to read, and read and remember what i am reading. i catalog that information so when i have to make a post, i can be well informed. the hockey rumors sites are the most useless sites for a direct line on updated info. but once in a while they may be right. again, useful info or info that best served to line a bird cage, it is all news. now the trade info / rumors that was being banter about concerning the hawks, well even the sports sites may have stated some of that, well the question is, was the info those site were reliable or did they get it from the rumors sites. trying to prove that my info, or my rant is ummm as you said skewed, again, disprove my statements or the rtn of the trade. now arguing with me, i would like to think it is more of a debate. there is no swearing no cussing only my attempt to state my opinions base on the facts of what has happen. maybe some should do the same, instead of trying to disprove me, the poster. disprove the facts of what i am stating. my expectation is simple. the hawks won another championship. good, don't sit on the laurels, start working on getting things moving to get ready for the next go around. between the championship parade / celebration and the draft is but a couple of weeks. those couple of weeks and the summer is very important to make trades, draft the next group of prospects, sign FA's. there is no time to relax, the fo needs to be prepared. if not, they screwed up. the fo personnel people knew this, and they should have been ready. this is their world they volunteer for.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) So, this NHL 2015-16 thread is officially the LDF 2015-16 thread, right? maybe you should post more instead of taking cheap shot from the balcony..... btw, when was the last time you posted anything worthwhile on this thread??? afraid of showing your lack of IQ. oops, you just did it.

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 12:38 AM) agreed big time. I believe also that this is the series that says it all. 1) KC tough team for us to beat. 2) in our division where our record is NOT very good 3) It not only closes the gap on KC and the wild card, but also shows the front office that we can beat someone tough in our division when the status of this team is on the line but i am really hoping that this series will be the trigger mechanism to kick start the sox in playing better within their division. the turn around ..... look back to spring training and how the sCrubs kill the sox, now...... now it is a different story.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 12:24 AM) Based on his first 83 major league plate appearances? What about his AAA numbers: .830 OPS, 142 wRC+, & 18 SBs in 50 games. Why ignore these? Quite frankly, we don't know what kind of offensive player he is yet. But based on his tools & minor league track record, he's got the potential to be a very good player with the bat. I'm just absolutely shocked so many posters (not you) are willing to write him off over ia very small sample of incredibly bad defense from a rookie. i agree with this, and this is the reason why he was rushed to the majors, this yr, b/c of his offensive tools.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 08:34 PM) Well said. Would Bowman have won 3 Cups without Toews and Kane? Of course not. But would Tallon have won 3 Cups if he was never fired? I'm not so sure about that either. bowman walked into the this org with the main core there. that first cup is all tallon. now the other 2 bowman made some smart moves to position the hawks for the other 2 cups. no one is talking about the lack of trade on 2014 that was there, all he had to do was pull the trigger. maybe or maybe no, the hawks may have won the cup that yr. who knows. this demigod worship for bowman and that he can do not wrong, is what is annoying to me. look at the results of the trade. the rtns of the trade.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) The trade is fine, it frees up money to make more moves. Of course Sharp would be missed but he has been relatively invisible in the playoffs the past few years. The Hawks will be ok without him. Again, it is totally irrelevant to this discussion because you are basing your anger at this trade on your dislike for Bowman, which is ludicrous. If any other GM in Chicago won three championships in 6 years and was a perennial contender every season in between would be a god in the town, but you are like "no, not good enough. He hasn't shown me enough" And please tell me how that fact is skewed i really have no problem explaining myself. 1. i have stated now and in the past i did not believe Bowman did anything to earned that position except for his relations. 2. i keep stating that, as a disclaimer on my rants for idiot moves made by the gm. (this is a sports forum so poster will always have opinions) 3, i made my statements just recently in another nhl thread. so i am still keeping on what i am saying. 4. these trades will define bowman more than anything else he has done. but >>>>>> 5. the cost to prove whether he is right or wrong, will effect the hawks ability to win. 6. the rtn is horrible for a salary dump 7. all this, fiasco should have been anticipated before the draft....... it is his job to be prepared for anything. have backup plans 8. then lastly, over estimating bickell, steeger and even sharp, to be asking for a kings ransom for their services in any trade before the draft. now, as i have always stated, everyone is tradeable, but it is the cost to make it happen will determine if it gets done. per rumors pages; sharp - 1 first rnd draft pick, 1 prospect ranking in the 3-7 range and 1 active player. bickell - 2-4 rnd draft pick, i prospect. steeger - prospects..... ranking unknwn. in ref to being skewed, i was wondering if any were looking at the points i was presenting or just concertinaing on one statement, my disclaimer. lastly i am still wanting to know whether you like the trade. not that you can live with it. the whole thought process of this trade. not b/c of sharp carefree attitude but what was given up and what the rtn was.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 11:08 PM) The Sox need to play better against division opponents. I don't even remember the last series win they had against one. i bet the fans are asking themselves, how???? how did they loose to the sox with this record and ranking. i love it.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) bad team, strong division, sellers market... yet I still feel like the Sox will hold. hope i'm wrong. i have a this hopeless feeling that the sox will not trade anyone, or anyone like Shark. i feel as ithe sox will hope that make a miraculous run and get to the wild card position. i just don't know, this team has holes to address. the best way to addrss this is thru trades.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 05:04 PM) Garbutt scored one less point than Shaw in 12 less games, and Shaw had PP time. Garbutt at 900K is a good deal, think Desjardins but a better scorer and he can fly. Look, Sharp had to go, we all knew that. The thing that gets the fans upset about this trade is including Johns in the deal. i will be honest here. i don't know if it is johns being included or not.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 05:03 PM) Yea, three cups is quite the screw up. And I'm sorry you made the situation personal with Bowman, but that is your unfounded gripe, not mine. Do you seriously read what you are writing? You are acting like 3 cups isn't good enough, Bowman has more to prove to everyone, and then you throw in daddy pot shots every chance you get and bring up Tallon like he didn't leave the Hawks in cap hell, thus needing the Bowmans to step in and clean up his mess. I don't know what other success the Hawks need for you to judge. somehow this little fact is a bit skewed. ref to the 3 cups, not when this team can do more. pro's will want to get that one more, as the fans want that one cup. btw, how come you don't answer the question on whether you like this trade or not.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) There's no match between the Sox and cubs without getting insanely creative. Imo, the only pitcher the SOX will possibly move is Samardzija but the cubs are not willing to part with Schwarber which ends the conversation right there. The cubs have some OF and pitching prospects but the Sox have those as well so its doubtful the Sox would have interest. The cubs have zero leverage in a trade with the Sox. The cubs options are quite simple... 1- give up quality prospects for one of Samardzija, Price or Cueto. 2- trade for some scraps like what the Marlins are reportedly selling. 3- make no trade and hope for the best the rest of the season. Bruce Levine and his merry band of morons need to remember that it's the Sox that have (Samardzija) what some contenders covet and therefore it's the Sox that have all the leverage, not the other way around. excellent post.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) One of the posters mentioned the stadium JR tried to get built in Addison. We're never going to find out because the stadium wasn't built there, but does anybody think they would of drawn more people in Addison? I've seen a number of White Sox surveys where they claim that 20% of White Sox attendance comes via public transportation. There's no public transportation anywhere near that Addison location. There's a Metra station in Wooddale, which isn't close to that stadium site. JR doesn't like to talk about it but when the White Sox were looking for a new stadium back in the 1980's the City of Chicago wanted to build a stadium for the White Sox in the South Loop at Roosevelt and Clark. JR turned down the offer and instead tried to get the stadium built in Addison. When Addison didn't work out the offer from the City was off the table and the White Sox got stuck at the present location. Everybody I have ever met always thought the White Sox would of been better off in the South Loop than their present location or Addison. In other words I think JR screwed up by not having the White Sox stadium built in the south Loop. i look at this in several different ways. 1. the fan based would have greatly improved b/c now you are putting a pro sport team in those burbs. a whole new group of new fans. 2. the core of the fan, whether they were from that area or other area, a whole new personality would need to grow. the old fans may not follow.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 03:42 PM) My happiness with this trade is completely irrelevant to the need for the trade, something you completely overlook when you are ripping Bowman for winning cups. Tallon has been gone for 5 years now, it's time to accept the fact that his fingerprints on the current team and previous cup winning team are faded. no i disagree on this, b/c it is one thing to like the trade and defend it. it is also another to pick a situation to make it personal. i can see that trades were needed. i even stated that. i also stated that i was not a big fan but i would see how he does, as a gm, to this off season. this was stated in around draft day. i still haven't change my opinion. i also believe i stated that so far out of 3 things that needed to be address, he has failed in 2 and the success of the hawks will judge the 3rd point. ref to tallon, yes it has been 5 yrs since he is gone. but the main core are what he assembled and it is this core that the hawks will continue to win if the right pieces are added. it is when, my dislike for bowman or should i say people over estimation of him, is not being added when i am saying bowman is not helping. now, there is some rumors of crawford and team inquiring about him....... well i will not believe that until something more concrete comes to a head. but i really hope that is not that case. again, let me also state that i was willing to see how bowman get out of this situation of salary cap, players and asking for too much leading up to the draft. i even posted that statement here on this site. now look at this, this way, do you have confidence in bowman to fix this???? the org traded 4-5 dman. players who could have moved in the lineup and also help the salary. bowman screwed up