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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 10:33 PM) People who are renting don't have anything to sell. If the neighborhood I'm renting in suddenly becomes a lot more desirable, my rent's going to go up and I'm going to be forced to move. edit: it can also happen with ballooning property taxes forcing owners out, but at least they aren't 100% SOL like renters. so should social economic growth stop?? if the property increases, those who rent will be in a better area. no one is going to fix all the economic problems of the world.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) If you get forced out of your neighborhood because it's not a s***hole I don't feel sorry for you. You were probably the problem in the first place. people destinations and descriptions also needs to be explain in describing that condition, do not rely on stereotype descriptions.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 10:05 PM) You got me there. But, there definitely is a double standard for posting things based on skin color, and I think we should hold everybody to the same standard. i do. my rep in the past and still is based on equal and fair treatment. ok so i lied..... fair and equal treatment except for the sCrubs. i posted not b/c i wanted to argue, but to explain why i thought you were wrong.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 08:53 PM) FWIW that was literally what was done to black people throughout much of the 20th century, and it was reason #1, not reason #11. It's basically what redlining and white flight were all about. So given that historical context, it'd be more offensive if said about black people in 2014 because they actually suffered for it for generations. White people aren't and weren't actually being redlined. depending and defining this racially and historically does not mesh. not now, its been how yrs since the 60's and the social hatred?

QUOTE (gatnom @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 08:26 PM) Playing devil's advocate here... If somebody made a list online of "11 signs your neighborhood is going downhill", and "black people will show up" was reason number 11, there would certainly be some outcry to this, yes? Personally, I don't care if they don't like the white people who are pushing them out of their neighborhood, but it doesn't seem like a very PC way to describe things. again i disagree. reason #1 and #11 will be the same, gangs. look in the newspaper, how many shootings are going on every weekend.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 05:45 PM) I was saying that's the core of the problem people have with it--that it pushes poorer people out of the neighborhoods. Increasing property values don't help renters. no one is pushing them out. if they sell, they are selling at a profit.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:40 PM) you should have a problem with it. They need to stop trying to make patches to force Cutler to become something that he is not. pls excuse me but let me also add. it is pitiful that the sox media needs to scrounge some minor little tidbits to make him look good. if his stats doesn't convince the fans, then the fans needs to be educated some more.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 09:32 PM) Jon Garland was absolutely a key part of that "Top ranked system" in 2000. Konerko wasn't because he was up before that but he was absolutely part of the "The Kids can Play" movement in '99. that was a cool slogan as was the good guys were black

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:53 PM) Honestly, getting all three of those guys at this point would improve the team at least as much as getting Cabrera did, IMO. but this team only need minor little touches here and there to finish of a great offseason.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 07:22 PM) a six pack of old style is cheaper. old style...... oh man i am dying here. i missed that beer so much. old style and falstaff.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:50 PM) i literally just explained why the 35th street site is the best option for the sox in the city. It is MORE than convenient for the masses. Am I missing something? yes the masses and convenient in walk up, the area appealiing after the game excitement. i know it is a poor excuse, but as long as that is not there, the sox will find it hard to attract the huge numbers and maintain the popularity of that draw.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) Wrigley is not as good transit wise as Sox Park. The red Line stop services three lines, but it's only ONE STATION. 10k people go into ONE STATION postgame. Sox have three SEPARATE stops/lines on 35th street. big differenace. Bus service means nothing when there are 12-15k cars filling the streets in a square mile around wrigley. LSD does NOT have an Addison exit. You need to get off at Irving or Belmont. AND, the Drive is a parking lot as you get into rush hour from Roosevelt TO Hollywood. The Kennedy exit for Addison(and Irving) is as far West as Pulaski. That's almost FOUR MILES from the Friendly Confines.(Belmont is at Kedzie, which makes it around three miles west). The Dan Ryan exits for Sox Park(31st, 35th, and Pershing exits ) are HALF A BLOCK EAST OF THE STADIUM! The Cubs have a free(con't argue with that) remote lot for 1000 cars, but that is at Irving and Rockwell, still about 2 miles from the park. And fans need to take a shuttle from there. Sox have 7000 ON-SITE parking spaces. At a reduced cost of $20 per game($10 on sundays). You got me beat on the oh so important nightlife and "hang out after the game options". But The sox allow tailgating pre-game(with a little postgame) and I always see the vast majority of cars leave the park as soon as the game ends. Maybe the marketplace has spoken in that regard. long time ago, and i think it was when the bulls were for sale, i may be wrong, but the newspaper were running something about how, after the lease the sox may be next to the stadium. the bears ownership were angry and was having a war with Wriz. i remember Billy boy just told the bears to name a price and he would buy the bears. some one even mention how the bears, sox and hawks being in the same area. nothing else was said after that.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) Jim Thompson financed the park. Daley was running for office in 1988. Eugene Sawyer was the mayor at the time. And the man he replaced, Harold Washington, is the one that made the deal with Thompson to keep the Sox at 35th and Shields. yes i know, but you really need to understand, the dem party and yes daley and his family was a big part of that, helped. that is all

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:40 PM) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/a..._n_4452480.html http://www.ibtimes.com/atlanta-braves-move...rtation-1470814 There are a couple i read the articles and thanks now my point is and again my opinion. someone has an agenda. what ever that agenda is i let everyone else form that answer. i still say it is economical driven in both ways. moving to the western subs and those who wants it in the same area.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 10:21 PM) Why wouldn't they? He gave them all access 24/7 he should really get a life and have his lackeys quit the beating of the drum.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 08:05 PM) Ventura and Guillen are both good examples of why I like the idea of a White Sox Hall of Fame, rather than number retirement. (Baines and Pierce too, but too late for that). And #6 being unofficially retired for Charley Lau has been really stupid too. i understand the merry meant of retiring a number, but and i may be a minority here, are the standards of getting their number retired by the org???? i say no for those reason. what has he really done on the field as a player to warrant this honor.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:38 PM) Wrigley is not as good transit wise as Sox Park. The red Line stop services three lines, but it's only ONE STATION. 10k people go into ONE STATION postgame. Sox have three SEPARATE stops/lines on 35th street. big differenace. Bus service means nothing when there are 12-15k cars filling the streets in a square mile around wrigley. LSD does NOT have an Addison exit. You need to get off at Irving or Belmont. AND, the Drive is a parking lot as you get into rush hour from Roosevelt TO Hollywood. The Kennedy exit for Addison(and Irving) is as far West as Pulaski. That's almost FOUR MILES from the Friendly Confines.(Belmont is at Kedzie, which makes it around three miles west). The Dan Ryan exits for Sox Park(31st, 35th, and Pershing exits ) are HALF A BLOCK EAST OF THE STADIUM! The Cubs have a free(con't argue with that) remote lot for 1000 cars, but that is at Irving and Rockwell, still about 2 miles from the park. And fans need to take a shuttle from there. Sox have 7000 ON-SITE parking spaces. At a reduced cost of $20 per game($10 on sundays). You got me beat on the oh so important nightlife and "hang out after the game options". But The sox allow tailgating pre-game(with a little postgame) and I always see the vast majority of cars leave the park as soon as the game ends. Maybe the marketplace has spoken in that regard. it doesn't matter about what you are trying to defend about parking, while it is a good point, the area is not appealing. it needs to be in an area where it is convenient for the masses.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 05:13 PM) Yep that's basically the core of it. i disagree, it is economic redevelopment. it basically mean getting land and to redeveloped it. it those who chooses to sell, they sell. it doesn't mean who buys into those are just white, no, there are yuppies mixed. those who can afford to buy there.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 06:25 PM) well the braves have clearly made it known that the only brown people they want at the new braves stadium are the ones that work there on and off the field. they chose the one county in the greater atlanta area that has steadfastly REFUSED extending MARTA rail access in it's borders. give me a freaking break. show the links of this so called info that you are spouting.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 04:54 PM) ‏@JasonLaCanfora Look for Jack Del Rio to emerge in OAK, ATL to contact Rex, SF to approach Jim Mora several teams request Adam Gase. M. Shanahan wants Chi in nfl.com they talked about the coaches now and potential as well as QB. with the coaches, they stated, that SFO was to approach Mora, but he has a great contract in college, and as you mention, Shanahan wants chi and it has been mention that he has a great relationship with Culter. i would rather the bears go for a promising young coach who has nfl experience.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Thats because most organizations have switched from creating a circus in order to draw fans to trying to win baseball games to draw fans. Again, it has been said before in this thread, why are you more concerned about the Sox being a headline silly story than winning games? If a manager and general manager creates a team that wins games, the headlines will be there regardless, without the drama very nice. if you don't mind, some newbies comes to the site and starts of slowly. if one comes to this site, to start a fire and create havoc, i am sure the other sox site, will gladly have you. i think you are a troll. prove me wrong with quality post.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) That also opens up a potential Cutler landing spot. on NFL.com there was a short list of potential starting QB's. the 2 that i am entice about are the 2 that will cost at least a mid-round pick. the QB from Houston and San Fran QB. the bears should start there.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) For whenever we are due a new stadium, the Sox need to commit to either the suburbs or downtown. I'd prefer downtown, personally. I think I was the one who originally brought up the post office site a few months back. Admittedly I was ignorant of the history a few months back, but if the price is ever right, I'd love to see it. with ref to the price, sox park, isn't it owned by the St of Ill. and the sox leases it??? it was some kind of sweetheart deal with Daley and JR. with the St of Ill saying no to the sCrubs, the new park will need to be finance by the owners. so i will doubt it with JR group./

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 29, 2014 -> 04:51 AM) It amazes me that hockey gets the reputation for goonery and the like when this kind of stuff happens in football to relatively no consequence on a regular basis. in hockey several yrs ago, i think, chris simone, a goon, step on a leg of a player. now this is a step on with skates. b/c of this action, intent of serious injury, he was banned from the nhl.

as much as i hate to admit it, the idea of getting a new park needs to be in the downtown area, somewhere just north of the enterprise. built in fan base. what got me thinking as well, what ever happen to the propose idea of building up the area around 35 and shields? there was this grand idea of a navy pier like settings across the walk way over the expressway.