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QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 1, 2015 -> 02:22 AM) When the team moves to San Antonio I'll wave to y'all. i have said this before, i think i hate you.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 04:37 PM) Ozzie made several crucial calls during the playoffs which were arguably the most important calls of their respective games. bringing in El Duque with the bases loaded and no outs.... deciding to bring Buehrle in as a closer for the first time ever.... I could go on. His importance to that playoff run and outcome cannot be equated with 'any other member of that team' that is utterly foolish logic. that was a randy johnson move that Seattle used in the playoff in the 90's.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Dec 30, 2014 -> 08:20 AM) Like him or not, he's on the Sox Mt. Rushmore from the most memorable era in Sox history. 56 and 12 should be retired as well. I know Ozzie hate is cool, though, so yeah, maybe they should start issuing it to non-roster invitees and bat-boys. Better yet; maybe they can retroactively change Toby Hall's number to 13 and then retire it, but with only Toby Hall's name attached to get the point across. that is a great way of putting it. i really didn't think about it at first, but now i really like it.

QUOTE (lvjeremylv @ Jan 1, 2015 -> 07:38 AM) Prospects have value for 2 reasons. The first way they have value is they are yours and under your control for a number of years. If they come up and are good players, you have their services, cheap, for anywhere from 3-5 years, I really don't know for certain. The reality, though, is that the vast majority of prospects never pan out. That's where their secondary value comes in - trade chips. Even though most prospects don't pan out, there are those that do, and teams are often willing to trade something of a known quantity for something that is potentially more valuable down the road. So as far as I'm concerned, if the Sox are able to get a known, major league caliber player right now that will help them win, that's something they should do. I'm not saying mortgage the entire future to try to win now, but if it takes 2 or 3 of our upper level prospects not named Rodon - I put a much higher value on top pitching prospects than I do position player prospects - then I say that's something they should do. i put a higher value on prospects and the farm. i hated how KW didn't 1. draft better or had a different philosophy in drafting players. 2. he used and over pay for key players he wanted. now with the situation that is at hand, again ii am going to say this, the window of opportunity is now, i can't believe this, but i want to use the KW way of thinking. over pay, use SOME prospects, to get that missing piece. however try to save the major core of the farm. that is IF the other team is willing to play ball and be willing to accept what is being offered. if that offer is fair. the team needs to know by now, someone can not completely use the free agent route nor by trading to build the team. one is too expensive and the sox don't have the bank that the yanks and dodgers have. second, the sox doesn't have an endless supply of prospects to use.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 11:53 PM) Insta-depressing. Makes one want to think trade ASAP. while mystery remains. what the hell happened to the CF notion? all the tools major talent potential never fulfilled.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 09:03 PM) Lets just pretend this actually happens. Lebron would have devastated that franchise twice in 5 years, he would be cemented as a villain for quite some time not really, it seems as he is teflon, nothing to stick to him. i hope he never get a championship from this day forward.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 11:16 PM) same here.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 10:02 PM) There's also Saladino and if none of them can handle it, there's the trade deadline if the rest of the team is kicking ass. But one of our middle infielders has to be given the 2nd base job. i am thinking that the consensus from the sox front office is that Sanchez will fill it.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 11:51 PM) can't say his name. nothx same here.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 11:11 PM) I have many of the same questions. a great set of questions, but i would like to add 1 more. after #10 which is about Matt Davidson, i will also add will Erik Johnson rebound as well. i am still thinking the sox will like to see how Davidson rebounds, even tho no one from the front office is saying anything about that.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 09:27 PM) Speaking about a pitcher -- I wonder if no one pays Scherzer what he's asking and he starts looking for a one-year deal -- if the Sox shouldn't be interested. Unlike most teams (other than the Tigers), who'd have to surrender a first round pick (right?), the Sox would only lose a 4th rounder, and would get back a higher pick if (when) Scherzer walks after a year. Then you trade John Danks for salary relief, and you haven't cost yourself that much. But you've definitely moved to the top of the race for the AL Central crown and given yourself a real World Series chance! And all you've lost is some money and a 4th round pick (which you will replace with a higher pick next year). a great idea, but if that happens, i am more than sure, his agent will insist on a clause of the team not offering a QD in the 1yr contract. i still like it b/c it still have the team in a stagger, improving the team in the future thru attrition. no long burdensome contract. if it was me, i would insist on the ability to add the QD in the contract.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 10:21 PM) As for my take on trading for Ben Zobrist, I'm not going to speculate one way or the other for who would have to be sacrificed in such a deal. We don't really have any idea. Personally, I would trust Rick Hahn and the front office enough at this point if they made such a trade that the value coming back would be more than worth it. As I mentioned above, if Zobrist is acquired, it will certainly make the White Sox offense much better than it is right now, replacing our weakest likely hitter (Sanchez) with a very solid #2 bat. My first concern with Zobrist is whether he has a grass/turf split, or a home/away split given he's been playing on astroturf a lot. It turns out he is about the same on both, but slightly better away. With a better offense, the Sox pitching will look much better than it does now. Quintana's no decisions might finally get turned into wins. Same could be true for Samardzija. And the back end of the rotation should be competitive. So, I'm for the move if the Sox can pull it off for the right price, and I'm willing to trust the front office to make that call. a great analysis of the discussion. i can't think of anything. good job/

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 10:19 PM) The State of Illinois is a fiscal disaster, that is only going to get worse. this is the main point in any discussion. great point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 10:18 PM) The station gets the subscriber fees and advertising. The Sox get the broadcast fees. If the Sox broadcast fees go up, the amount left over from the subscriber fees and advertising goes down. They get more upfront, but less from their ownership in CSN. And they will be robbing the Cubs and Blackhawks to do it. This isn't like other cities where either the partnerships were set up as a part of the broadcast rights, or they are getting a big check from a new network. JR already owns 40% of the network. very good research. i llike it. but the biggest gain will be in the equality in CSN, let alone what is the upfront money with the lease cost.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 10:10 PM) What I don't understand is why Zobrist scores so high on the offensive WAR number charts with what seems like a not-very-exciting stat line. For example, here's Zobrist's 2014 line. 2014 33 TBR AL 146 654 570 83 155 34 3 10 52 10 5 75 84 .272 .354 .395 .749 116 225 Here's Melky Cabrera's 2014 line. 2014 29 TOR AL 139 621 568 81 171 35 3 16 73 6 2 43 67 .301 .351 .458 .808 126 260 Just looking at these two lines, Cabrera is clearly a better hitter. Better average, similar OBP, much better slugging, higher OPS+, more total bases. Zobrist grounded into a 11 fewer DPs (not on chart line), and walked a lot more (but struck out more). But that was it. Yet Zobrist gets a 4.2 oWAR number, while Cabrera gets a 3.6 oWAR number. Is that all because Zobrist can play the infield, and Cabrera can't? We aren't talking about their defense here, only their offense. And if it's all because Zobrist plays 2B (and some SS), then how do they account for the fact he played 54 games in the outfield? Zobrist would clearly be an upgrade for the Sox. He could hit 2nd, slide Cabrera to 3rd, and move everyone else down a notch where they'd be better. Talk about an on-base machine at the top of the lineup -- Eaton .362, Zobrist .354, Cabrera .351, Abreu .383!! LaRoche and Garcia should each drive in 100 with those kinds of opportunities in front of them!! But I'm still confused about why Zobrist is seen as a WAR king when his overall numbers are not that awe-inspiring. with the stats, i have no answered but i was thinking of the bolded.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) You keep suggesting getting Zobrist depending on the cost of the trade, but Balta already hinted to you the price tag for Zobrist. We'd have to give up at least either of Danish/Montas, plus a couple of top 10 guys to get him, with the likelihood that he will walk away after this year. If we are going to trade the farm for a guy, we should target guys who will be here for our window of contention, which is the next 3-4 years, not just 2015. Trading for a rental player is a move you make in July, not in January. Lastly, if the Sox are looking to make moves to improve chances of playoffs this year, I think another starting pitcher is a bigger need than 2B. If we have a need a 2B come July or August, one could be had for a lesser price. you made a good point, but i will still maintain, that the cost of the trade, is still not known. only opinions of what the cost will be, which is a valid opinion in itself. i am taking a page from the KW trade book, over spend to get the player to win now. the main farm system is still and will still be protected. its like saying the sox traded the farm to get pitcher Jeff S. yes i agree about the pitcher as i have been saying, the sox need another sp, preferably an A+ type.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 09:57 PM) 1) If they would of built the Cell at Roosevelt and Clark, we wouldn't be talking about building a new stadium for the White Sox. The City of Chicago wanted to build the stadium in the South Loop. JR wanted to move to Addison/Dupage County. When Addison didn't work out, they wound up at its present location. The City of Chicago withdrew the South Loop offer and the white Sox got stuck building a stadium where it should not of been built. A terrible move for the White Sox. 2) Anybody who thinks the government won't build another stadium for the White Sox is wrong. As long as there is money to be made, a new stadium is a possibility. Keep in mind the City is building a new arena for Depaul, who nobody cares about. Mayor Daley was going to build an Olympic Stadium for the Olympics which would of cost upwards of $300 million dollars. The city was then going to knock it down after the games were over with. 3) I wouldn't be surprised to see Rocky wirtz buy the White Sox. He's one of the investors welcome. JR while smart investor, sometime over plays his hand. pretty much like he did with the ARZ hockey team. don't know what happen in the Addison vs the south loop, but that is in the hindsight. ref to your #2, that was again in a another time. this is now, the sox, i think will not get the help from any government front, b/c it will be hard to be justified. second, in this post, we are still talking about many yrs from now. lets see how the economy rebounds. i still think as of right now, that land around the stadium is still in play.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 08:05 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/courtney-ha...vements-enough/ a great read. thanks

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 06:58 PM) To which I ask, are we so sure right now that 2B is our weakest position and is it our biggest need to upgrade taking account long term potential? It sounds like you're suggesting we are making this decision for this year only, and if that's the case we don't have to have the roster completed by January. I rather wait till July or August to evaluate our need to make a playoff run, and similar talent could be had for a lesser price around that time. On top of that, Sanchez has a track record for hitting in the minors, and if you take into account defense as well, he could be out performing Gillaspie by July. good question by Balta. here it is, this is the time and depending on the cost of the trade, getting a 2b player who can hit and has good stats as a hitter in the majors. this yr the sox need to field a team that will do well. get to the playoff and let see what happens after. with someone like Ben Zobrist, the sox will be improving while letting the eventual heir at 2b developed some more. making an assumption on Sanchez is 1 thing, the sox only have this time to get a player like Zob to help.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 07:39 PM) Too much money for what looks like a flyer prospect at this point. well he is a glove only kind of a player who may play above avg defense at SS. his bat is really bad, can he improve, only the baseball gods and the baseball experts can tell. dodgers paid 7.5 mil in a signing bonus and last yr 3 mil in salary of a 4 or 5 yr contract i think. scouting rpt, play with Jose A and Puig as a youngster. http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...na-leaves-cuba/ another scouting rpt. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1957949...l-arruebarruena

Erisbel Arruebarrena was just dfa by the Dodgers. should the sox be interested???

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 07:22 PM) I wouldn't think that would be anywhere close to what Tampa would accept. oh crap i misread. ~~~ edit. -- yeah, my stuff is a pipe dream, it all depends on what TPA is being offered from other teams.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 07:20 PM) It will be squeezing one side to give to the other. So if the broadcast rights fees go up, that means their profits and equity at the station go down. It is a zero sum game. not in a sense, they will have exclusive rights as oppose to competitive rights from other sports teams.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 07:14 PM) Something like Micah, Hawkins and Beck is likely what the Sox highest offer would be. My highest offer would be Micah, Beck, Webb and Trayce. It's just something where it doesn't make sense for the Sox to unload any of Rodon, Anderson, Montas, Danish or Adams. very close, again the sox brass will have a better idea. mine would be Sanchez, Beck, Trayce, DV + 4 mil and Jacob May. if not Trayce then Sanburn

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 31, 2014 -> 07:11 PM) From where? Themselves? They already own the station. excatly, they will get a contract based on the business, what ever the company name is for the sox. then it is a separate lease.