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Weird. I have a few friends that are working on getting into the business (ESPN or another sports station) and both have met a few of the guys. I also have a couple friends that were a part of Fullerton's national championship team. All of them have met Reynolds (my two friends at a thing in Bristol along with Stuart Scott, and than the two baseball guys I know at different charity and Fullerton events as well as a big college world series type deal) and all 4 have raved about the type of guy Reynolds is. They say he'll come and talk to any player or anyone and really just offer friendly advice and be as nice as possible. I was told the same about Stuart Scott, in this case he's been helping out my two friends a lot in there attempt at working into a hard industry to get in. Very odd so he must have said the wrong thing to someone.

QUOTE(CySox @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 09:21 AM) Make room for McCarthy in the rotation, and call back up Tracey. He might get called up when McDougal hits the DL again Tracey has one more option, right? He's only been up once so he's only lost all his options. An option being used allows a guy to be sent up and down as many times as you want over the course of one season (so even though he's been sent down twice now, only one option was used).

I don't get that report, we say no to dealing Broadway and it mentions we say no about McCarthy but also says we could afford to deal Brandon. Why would we deal Brandon before Broadway? On a sidenote, if we aren't willing to deal Broadway, it tells me that this org really thinks highly of the kid. More so than Tyler Lumsden. Of course I take this as a grain of salt and its probably just someone intentionally slipping info in negotiation ploys.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 07:08 AM) It's not just with the pitchers. This team is geting angry. Oz better straighten out his approach or he's going to be in a world of trouble. I saw enough when I saw Dye and Thome have to go over when Ozzie was going off on Garland. There facdes looked like..."Oh, not again". I fear they are getting sick and tired of it, but I really hope I'm wrong and obviously things are magnified when you are losing. This team needs to find a way to get some positive momentum, whether its on the field or it comes via the trade, I don't know, but they better find a way. QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 08:33 AM) I don't see any evidence of Ozzie "losing the team" at this point. However, screaming at his pitchers in front of everybody in the dugout is counter-productive and will cost him if he keeps it up. Imo and I've said it in the past as I've slammed him heavily for this...but thats exactly how you lose a team.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:51 PM) I actually think that would hurt him more than help. I mean, a guy is dominating for 5 innings and then gets taken out? I'm sure he'll know it's because they don't have any faith in him past 5 innings. That could actually end up hurting what already has to be his waning confidence. But if he gets the win thats just as good. And it means he goes a few starts without having that happen. Like I said, If I were managing I wouldn't have done anything different tonight with the exception of walking Mauer once Cotts fell behind.

Jerry Owens is by far the worse prospect of the bunch.

QUOTE(TaylorStSox @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:47 PM) I see a team that's pressing. On offense, they're not executing because they're setting themselves up for failure. Honestly, the extra bunting and that spiff is a joke. They're not playing fundamental baseball because they don't know how. They're a strong, professional team. They're just not catching the breaks. IMO, they need to relax and have some fun and get this funk out of their system. The only 2 guys that look to me like they're aren't pressing are Anderson and Uribe. It's no coincidence that they're both playing very well. Every team goes through these stretches. Since they're not scoring, every bunting/get em over situation is magnified. Every borderline bad pitch is getting crushed. They'll snap out of it. I just hope it's not too late. On the bright side, there have been bright spots within the pitching. They've only put one solid game together during this stretch, but it's a start. One real positive that I saw from Vazquez is that he got beat on this fastball. I'd much rather see a guy get beat when he's trying to challenge the hitter and attack the zone. It's much better than throwing breaking ball after breaking ball because he's scared of the bat. Good post...in general they are really letting this funk get to them, just like they did last year. Last year I said as soon as they clinched they'd be golden, this year they won't have that opportunity so they will have to make or create some other sort of break that gets the pressure off there backs and lets them get back to having fun. I don't know what that will be, but I'm hoping it starts with a win over Santana and continues with a win by Buehrle and a series win over the Twins.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) Jas this is not the first time this has happened. This is not a lets tip our hat to the opposing offense moments here. We have a pattern. To me, Javy is the same thing as our 5th starter is to the 2004 team. He is an autoloss. I bet our team was waiting around for him to detonate. I think your going a bit overboard...in 04 we won like 1 game all year from the 5th spot, javy has a winning record. I realize he gets uber run support, but I don't think you can compare the two. QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:44 PM) You definitely get this feeling that the team is sitting around waiting for something bad to happen. Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if Javy is. I bet after that hit he went, spiff, here it goes again. That is why it may not be bad to take him out if he has 5 strong his next start so he could leave a game with his head held eye and rebuild some confidence (kind of like Ozzie did with Jon, where he started taking him out of games a bit earlier and now recently he's started to let Jon go deeper).

In a few minutes, I'm going to move this into the White Sox loss thread (since thats where discussion of tonight's game belongs). Ya I think we all feel bad and now would be as good of time as any to take some deep breaths and relax a bit. I know last year when we were sucking, right after the team clinched I took the next few days off from watching the Sox and it was really nice. I think I may try doing the same the next couple days or at least watch things from just a passive position where I don't whine and complain (it will be hard to do though).

QUOTE(Bonderman38 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:28 PM) I was watching the Tigers game, and I had turned it over to the Sox game and it was 2-0 Sox. Then about 5 minutes later I turned it, it was 6-2 Twins. Did Javier implode again? Or was he out already? Most would say Javier imploded, I would say the Twins just hit good pitches and than in the 6th you could make a case for him imploding with Cotts almost getting out of the jam but giving up a 3 run Hr to Mauer (who he threw a 3-1 FB to, and it was questionable why we threw to Mauer at that point instead of walking him).

QUOTE(Bonderman38 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:30 PM) Leyland. Gardenhire in a close second. Agreed. If the Twins and Tigers make it, it will be a very close race with Leyland pulling out. If the Twins and Sox make it than Gardy goes. I don't think the Twins and Sox would make it, rather it will be the Tigers and one of the Sox, Twins and Yanks/BoSox

Anytime we play the game I think this team has a chance to win. Of course I usually deem things a loss anytime we go up agaisnt Johan, but you never know.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:34 PM) There was nobody on when he gave up the bomb to Morneau. And I don't think it was that bad of a pitch. It wasn't a good pitch like Cuddyer's was, but nothing horrible. For example if he was rolling stuff all over the place (like he was in the Tigers game) I'd say something. I didn't see him doing that tonight. Sometimes you get beat and thats what happened to Javy tonight, imo. Against the Tigers he beat himself.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:29 PM) Then why have Cotts ready at the beginning of the 6th inning? After the game I was going to commend Ozzie for having him ready although Vazquez was absolutely cruising. I must say, I am at the point where I just can't stand Vazquez and his mental fragility. Its really going to be hard watching him the rest of this season and next. I think you got to be careful, but nowhere in that inning did I really see Javy making bad pitches (which is what he was doing with runners on in hte prior games). This time around he just got beat, all you can do is tip your cap. But like I said a few times, i see where you all are coming from and you could very well be right.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) Jas you have watched the last few starts and all of Javys starts this year. This is not the first time this has happened. Outside of the Royals he has a problem with the 3rd time through. See, I think of it more as him having trouble with runners on and it just so happens to be that the bloop hit seems to come later in the game and than he falters. Today he did a better job with runners. Obviously he wasn't perfect, but he really is looking better. I realize I'm in the minority here though and I can't blame you guys for thinking the other way.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) i thought he handled vazquez fine tonight, i thought javy only made two really bad pitches tonight...the change to morneau was left up, and he absolutely hung a slider to mauer and got lucky that mauer swung and missed....again, ive said it like 10 times....i still have 0 idea why anyone pitches to mauer in teh situation they did I completely agree with that. When you are hitting what he is and you got Cuddyer on deck I'm going with the guy thats not hitting .380, especially once your already behind in the count.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) You and I disagreed on this in the thread, but I think we can both agree that if it's a similar situation in his next start, he needs to get pulled before too much damage can be done. We're facing the Twins bullpen...it's not like the KC bullpen where we can afford to fall behind and then catch up. I agree, however, I like Ozz am a big fan in sticking with your starters (and for the most part I'd probably manage my starters similar to Ozz with the exception of the ocassional starts where Ozz gets a little high on the pitch counts). But ya, Ithink he's coming out regardless of the situation next time around. However, I think we look at this more closely because he has struggled recently but this isn't a career trend and I do think Javy can buck it. He made adjustments with runners on that seemed to work, problem was Cuddyer hit a pitchers pitch (he was cheating in) and Morneau is a good HR hitter who still hr'd despite getting it off the end of his bat. Honestly and I know a lot of people would hate to see it (and I guess they are happy I am not the mgr) but if he had 5 innings like he had, I wouldn't have done anything differently.

I really can't blame Ozz. Its hard to listen to the stats that say Javy can't get guys out late in the games, when he throws so dominant and had barely been hit for 5 innings.

What we need is some wins and the Rally Crede is tired like the Sox right now. The Angels wore out the Rally Monkey and Soxtalk will not let the Rally Crede wear out. He's going to eat steaks every day till the post-season and than be ready and waiting to help the Sox (if needed).

In general I'm on the board that says we gave up some awfully good arms to get a guy whose got a great arm but really has yet to put it all together (not to mention two arm injuries). I understand Kenny did whats necessary, but this (along with the Javy move) are about the two moves (at the time they were made) where I was left thinking they were questionable. I saw the logic in them though and while he overpaid, he did fill a need (RH Reliever) by getting us MacDougal.

QUOTE(loltrain @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:18 PM) Eric Wedge. Or not.

I'd like to say welcome aboard. We have a thread discussing Javy and his problems so in a few minutes I'll move this post there (but I want to leave it open so you see this and realize the post was not deleted, rather moved). Secondly as someone thats backed Javy the past couple weeks I do think its relatively frustrating. He made some good pitches in the 6th but got beat and than in the 7th he did get himself into a rut and Cotts almost got through it, but instead gave up a monster hr. It hurts that Javy did this for 2 straight starts (cruising and than voila) but I don't see the club trading its pitching. Kenny has repeatedly said he will not trade any of his starters and unless he gets blown away (or someone has an attitude spat) I think for the most part this is the team that we are going to go with down the stretch. Its just a matter of the team getting some clutch hits and quality starts and as far as I'm concerned the talent is there. One thing I'm openly concerned about is whether the playesr are wearing on Ozzie. I'm not in the know when it comes to that so I can only hope thats not the case.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 08:07 PM) If Ozzie pulled this stuff on his xbox, the vibration controller would of shook feverishly to let him know its not a good idea.

If MacDougal is healthy, I think its a hefty price but we'd be getting a pretty good reliever in return. If he's injured, than it could be one of those moves that really backfires. Just like the Vazquez deal would pan out if we could get Javy straightened out, if we couldn't, it could really backfire.

Javier Lopez - Tell me when he does something; Riske >>> Javier and it isn't close Joe Borchard - Matt Thornton is a steal, don't see you critisizing that move Vazquez - alright, question it. I've long said if we knew the others would have signed and Kenny would have still made this move I would have really been hard on him for it. At the time he didn't know Jon and Jose would have signed He didn't know Hermy would have the troubles he did, in fact he got very mad at Hermanson for not informing him of how he really felt early in spring. Cotts - still a darn good reliever Politte - figured he'd fall back, but you can't predict injuries In General, please stop being so reactionary. Ken Williams has made quesitonable moves in the past and he's never afraid to give up prospects, but aside from Chris Young, Lumsden, and maybe Cortes (big maybe since he's still in Low A) most of them have no panned out (the verdict is still out on the ones I mentioned).