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QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) Gload in RF tonite, Dye gets a rest. Good idea, he could use it and Ross gives the team a little more small ball oriented dynamic which I think could help give the team a bit of a spark. Oh, Javy will toss a gem tonight.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) LMAO! Flash, you need to stop. I think you're a good poster and all, but you can be ridiculous at times. 95% of your posts are about how garbage our farm is. Now you're whining about this deal? You're a Lumsden fan all of a sudden? LOL. Just stop. In Flash's defense he's liked Lumsden for quite some time now. Just like I liked (and raved about) Chris Young for quite some time and was very dissapointed that we moved him in what I called a questionable deal for Vazquez.

You guys discuss grammar...yet the owner of that site has some of the worse posting grammar on this whole site (ME). What matters with FS is making sure we report the facts and do our homework because the last thing I ever want is for us to say something about a guy (in terms of factual stuff like velocity or stuff) and be wrong. When we don't know, we ask.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) but not contrary to what we have heard in teh rumors....the fact is this....mccarthy in all probability will do an equal job to vazquez or garcia...the sox have enough off days the rest of the year to skip spots in the rotation where a 5th starter only really has to pitch like 3 times before rosters expand in sept.....the As are in first, so zito probably isnt goin anywhere, the giants are .5 out, so schmidt is staying, willis probably wont be dealt.....therefore the best names on the market are livan hernandez, rodrigo lopez and freddy/vazquez....a team like the mets will be willing to part with good prospects (most certainly not milledge or pelfrey, but probably humber etc) and those guys could be moved for soriano The Sox have long said they aren't planning on skipping the 5th spot. They know there starters have been worked hard and they aren't about to put anymore work on them. As far as Brandon goes, no, I don't know that he could pitch better than Javy/Freddy because its will take Brandon about a month to get up to being able to throw 100 pitches so for a months time we risk having to go to the pen before the 5th inning which puts us in a bind for not only that game, but for future games as well.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:35 PM) Jason, Any reason why you are so high on Lumsden? No one seems as high on him as you seem to be. I'm quite curious. Who would no one be? He rates as the Sox #2 prospects as far as I'm concerned (behind Fields) and I guess you could argue Broadway being with him. I know the Sox thought pretty darn highly about him and I have no doubt the Royals absolutely love him. Great fastball, real solid curveball and his change has came a long way. He gets good movement on all his pitches and does it all from the left side. This doesn't even begin to speak about his mound presence and pitching smarts which are both "outstanding".

Mac will be the long guy (although I'm not much of a Riske fan, especially as of late) unless Kenny gets blown away in a deal or one of our starters gets hurt. Next year Mac will join the rotation.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 04:02 PM) Jason ... why would the White Sox trade one of their starters? They finally have the bullpen set up, and in McCarthy a very good insurance policy. Pods and prospects makes sense but trading a starter goes against everything KW has talked about all season. I'm not saying they would...rather commenting on the Mac, Jurko rumor. I don't see us moving a starter from the major league level (and that includes Brandon) and I know the Sox feel very good about Javy. I actually like our squad fine even if we don't make a deal, especially if MacDougal stays healthy.

QUOTE(bmags @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) seriously, that would be highway robbery. To me that kinda sounds like maybe the radio was shootin out a long shot just to maybe keep people listening. Not necessarily. Vaz has been dominant in the NL in the past and my guess is they think he could come in and do more of the same while Pods could be a versatile leadoff man for them who fits the NL style of baseball much more fitting. Not saying he's better than Soriano, but if they would prefer major league help they would be getting exactly that in a Soriano move. They replace Soriano with a decent leadoff hitter (albeit one thats not near as explosive) and get a guy thats been an all star type pitcher in the NL.

Let me try changing that stuff once all this sox news slows down, lol.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) If what fathom says in true, then we could pretty much end all speculation about flipping Soriano somwhere else... unless the Sox are also interested in selling a bunch of merchendise in the next few days. More specifically I think it would mean that we'd be moving Pods somewhere else who I do think has value. I just don't know what the club would look for.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Agree. There are 6+ more days left and this story will continue to evolve. Regarding the no trade clause, the White Sox gave Garland one for one year and also Contreras but they are not inclined to give one for the length of a contract or an extension. They love having flexibiity and I think it's a good way to do business. If the hangup is simply contract stuff, and the Sox truly want to get this done, they have one of the best in the business ... Rick Hahn. Hahn is a great one for getting to the win-win and getting things done. If they really get him done, I think you'll see some sort of trade kicker clause with Soriano getting a bonus if he's moved. It gives the Sox flexibility while Soriano at least gets some sort of reward if he's moved. But its really going to be interesting to see this all play out. Its all happening so fast right now that I think we'll see things make a lot more sense relatively soon. Oh, if he contract stuff is true, than Pods is either a part of the deal or on his way out because from what I know they have zero plans of using him in CF.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:17 PM) Anybody? Can't say, been so busy trying to keep up with whats going on, but I swore one was elbow related and my geuss is the most recent one is as well.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 03:06 PM) WTF give it to him. If we don't get him over a no-trade clause I will be pissed. It could be one of those things where its leverage at this point and it could be re-explored at a later date. I could buy into this, but it also means that they were able to have discussion's with Soriano's agent and from what I had heard the Nats were not letting teams do that. Its going to be interesting to see what happens and this cool down may very well be a negotiating ploy and if Bowden doesn't seem the offers get stepped up from elsewhere, he may be coming back to Kenny. Plus Kenny has long been known as a guy who gets other teams to come to him after they get there best offer and in which case Kenny often times can up the offer if he sees fit.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:59 PM) Jason, I believe there's a big poker game going on. Further I think KW will make one more move at least. I completely agree and I think this really is the beginning of the trade season. I'm also sure KW is already on the horn with other teams seeing what he could potentially spin Soriano off for (well maybe not on the horn, but putting out feelers and finding out what other teams offers are so he could see if maybe guys the Nats don't need are potential needs for the Sox) while at the same time he may have feelers out for Pods, who I know management has been frustrated with at times this year.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:47 PM) Thanks. And, as always, we are in perfect agreement. From what I know the only way McCarthy goes is if Kenny finds out the Tigs have a deal on the table. If they do, Kenny will at least consider jumping on the deal. However, whats going on is obvious...Nats want Brandon, Sox are countering and the question is whether a team like the Tigers, Angels, Dodgers, or Twins are ready to jump in and make a deal that beats the Sox counter. I think the Nats are looking to get this move done shortly so that they can focus on moving Livan and Jose Guillen next and that we'll see something completed in the next 36 hr's.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) MacDougal may be in Chicago tonite, as it sounds like this deal was done for quite a bit, according to Jason. Tonight may be quick, but this deal was pretty much done relatively early today from what I know, especially since the minor league affiliates we semi aware of the deal.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:37 PM) i just cant see why....the only teams that are gonna want soriano are contenders, and no contender is gonna be willing to deal us (or anyone) pitching....... Maybe we don't want major league pitching, rather minor league pitching/players to give Kenny the chips to make another deal and more importantly to ensure that Soriano doesn't go to Minny or Detroit. I'm talking specifically about the Dodgers and Angels who got a zillion chips. Would the Angels deal Figgins and prospects for Soriano....I think yes. Or the dodgers dealing a guy like Broxton and some top pitching prospects for Soriano...I think yes. The main hold up if you ask me is Bowden wanting Bmac straight up, Kenny countering with Broadway/Fields/Liotta or some sort of package like that. Bottom line is even if we don't get him, that has just raised the price that Detroit/Minny would have to pay to get him and if we do get him we now have a guy that could help our offense if we can't move him and if we do move him we could ultimately get a similar price in terms of talent in return (if not more) while being able to control where he goes and maybe get back some more valuable pieces (in terms of what we need since Fields doesn't really fit in here).

QUOTE(Balance @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:24 PM) I like the MacDougal deal. Our pen is now, all of a sudden, full of flamethrowers who are locked up for the long term. I don't miss prospects who haven't proven themselves at the major league level. If we give up McCarthy for Soriano, we'd better be able to sign him after this year. We can't lose BMac for a rental. If MacDougal stays heatlhy I got no problem cause I've always liked his arm, but I want to know what exactly his arm troubles are and you got to hope/think the org thinks its past em.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) I don't know yet... I need some time. I'm old remember.. Ichiro with Pods being moved. I can dream can't I

I'll be doing one tomorrow, hopefully with Alex. We did one last week but got swamped and didn't get it up, but we'll be back to our usual weekly discussions and I apologize for the delay.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:05 PM) I know Lumsden was a favorite among a lot of posters here... but his lack of K's kind of worry me and I think he might have a lot of trouble getting out major leaguers... maybe a future RP. I kind of liked Cortes but he is in low A and any low A prospect I dont hold that much value to. Would it help if I told you this was the exact plan the Sox have with Lummy. I've talked to numerous people and they worked with him on pitching to contact, especially this season, because they felt it would help aid him in terms of rebuilding his arm strength and being able to go deeper in games without putting as much stress on his arm. Personally I like that plan in general, but when he needs to he is very capable of getting a strikeout, but with no one on he's out there pitching to contact (hitting his spots, being agressive and giving his fielders a chance).

Very interesting. I don't see where Lee would work since Pods really isn't an option in CF. I have to think there is something going on or in KW's mind that none of us are thinking about or know of. Whether he has another move in mind (Paulie or Thome being moved for some major piece that frees up a DH spot for one of these bats) or we are going to acquire a new leadoff hitter. Maybe we get Soriano and than deal him and uribe for Furcal, cash, Broxton, and a boatload of prospects? Just throwing something out there cause Soriano could make some sense since he leads off, but Lee none.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 02:09 PM) 23 in AA? It says he went to college, not much besides. His age isn't a concern as this is his first season in AA after missing all of last year because he had bone chips removed. He could have came back late last year but Lumsden and the Sox opted to be safe and have him sit out the full season. He has a very good arm and even had success with the Sox during spring training. He is a very under-rated prospect in terms of national opinion although I could make a case for members of Soxtalk over-rating him a bit. However, any way you shake it KW gave up two very good arms (ableit prospects, one of which is still insanely raw and wouldn't see the majors for at least another 2 to 3 seasons at best) for a guy that when healthy has one of the best arms in baseball (in terms of the pen).

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Jul 24, 2006 -> 01:22 PM) ummm....we wouldnt acquire macdougal unless we were about to trade someone from the pen, right? otherwise, bmac goes down, which isnt happening. Tracey could be sent down and we could still keep McCarthy.

Great Stuff Evan, Harrell is emerging as one of our top prospects and my guess is in the next day or two Wes Whisler will be joining Russell and Harrell in AA (now that Lummy has been moved). I'm also expecting McCulloch to be promoted to Low A where he will replace Cortes in the rotation.