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If Ozzie said that, than its just a matter of time till something is announced.

Thornton was real nasty.

Jon really stepped up and made an ace type performance. This is the 2nd consecutive start in which he stopped a losing streak and now hopefully our staff has got some momentum on its side and we'll continue to see quality starts or better. The offense wasn't great, but it executed much better and got the clutch hits when it was needed. Definately a nice way to end this series and like I said, I'm getting very comfortable with this team and think its just a matter of time before it translates into a large streak of winning baseball.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:59 PM) Again, who said it was incorrect? I have absolutely no reason to believe it was wrong. Rather, I think KW and the organization got their way over Ozzie. It would have been very interesting to see if Tracey got the call up if Hermanson was doing better, and Montero wasn't slumping. Don't respond to this post either Jphat.

Scotty has had some pretty darn good AB's today and came through both times with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs. And now he hits a HR

That looks pretty darn cool.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) Even if said knowledge is incorrect? It doesnt matter. I was just teasin the fact that he thinks he has sources. It doens't even matter that much. Another post on this subject and you will have 7 days off. Posters who have proven over time that they have legit sources will be heaviliy protected on this site. Any response to this will also result in a suspension Jphat.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:54 PM) A little off topic here, but on the radio the other day, McCarthy said it would take 15-20 days for him to get his arm strength up to 100 pitches if needed. Or 3-4 starts so if we moved him into the rotation thats 3-4 starts where we really run the risk of having to go to our pen by the 5th inning or sooner, imo. That not only makes us less likely to win that start, but also stresses and taxes the pen for any other start. Reason's like this are why I think unless Kenny gets something else in return, that he isn't about to deal Freddy just to insert Brandon into the rotation.

Wow, Jon is just cruising right now, but we still have 3 more outs to go and anything can happen.

If people want to berate Fathom's sources, they can be suspended. We will protect members of this site with knowledge.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:34 PM) LOL. Don't pretend you have sources. It's not becoming. I can say when I talked to Fathom it kind of verified what I had heard but not quite as detailed.

QUOTE(tigerfan @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) What happened? Alex Cintron was hit by Padilla (unintentionally) but Padilla has a history of crap against the Sox. Garland than started the next inning and threw two pitches behind Kinsler and warnings were issued. After the inning Ozz had quite a few words for Garland since he failed to hit Kinsler. Thats the gist of it.

QUOTE(Ozzie @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:24 PM) Detroit beats Oakland 8-4. Esteban Loaiza gets rocked early. Yep, 6 in the first. Leadoff man out for the Rangers

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:24 PM) I know, I didn't, either, I was just joking about. I was surprised that Ozzie didn't ask Freddy to do it, as Freddy's always been good about hitting people (I remember when he got Derek Lee right in the shoulder blades), but maybe Ozzie just thinks Garcia, more than any other pitcher on our team, doesn't need more baserunners! Don't worry about it fella's, I just wanted to clean it up as opposed to leave it out and see the fireworks.

Guchi smacked a few that just missed it yesterday to RF and this time he got enough on it to make it 4-0 Good Guys.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) All of you that are tired with Ozzie better be willing to eat your crow later in the year. Wins and Losses don't matter to me when it comes to this...this is something greater that is inexucseable in the baseball world. I don't care if we won 3 world series, these type of antics should not be tolerated.

Greg, not going to get in race discussion so that post was deleted. Ross didn't have the best bunt, but it got the job done. For a second I was thinking oh crap.

Cintron with a nice swing and singles to left with the runner on the run. Nice inside out swing. 1st and 2nd. Gloadie up and hopefully he can get a bunt down again.

An error by Kinsler and the leadoff man is aboard. And I completely agree that Ozz won't be here for long. Ozz with a team that struggles or chokes is a goner. His attitude will be horrific and the team will be hurt by it (I'm talking about a developing ball club). Thats why I want us to keep Razor Shines because I think in time he'll be managing the Sox.

Just wanted to point out that he's starting today's game after getting two games off.

Jon rolls through the 5th after striking out Wilkerson looking on a changeup. Now lets get a few more for Jon. QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:08 PM) On FSN they showed a 15 second clip, it looked pretty bad as Garland was walking away as Ozzie was yelling at him. Good for Jon. No player should take that type of shots from his manager, especially in the public eye.

QUOTE(Felix @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) Definitely. The manager who led the team to its first World Series title since 1917 should get removed for yelling at a pitcher who can't complete a simple order. Its not even close to that. There are so many things behind the scenes that its absolutely disgusting. I can't speak of the Garland situation, but NO PLAYER deserved what Tracey got. And yes it matters to protect our players and publicly bereating them is not needed in the majors. If they don't hustle, fine; if htey don't get in a few bunts, give em extra practice, but if they try to hit a guy and miss, I'm sorry you can say hey whats up don't do that again, but to publicly go off on them I got problems. And than when it continues from even that, I got more problems.

QUOTE(tpezz27 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) Maybe....just maybe Ozzie was mad Jon threw at him.....Maybe he told him not too....... All you had to do was look at Ozz's reaction, that said it all to me. QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) I haven't really been watching. I've been going back and forth to the kitchen for lunch. Ozzie yelled at Garland? Was it bad? Televised or on the radio? Anyone have a clue what Guillen was saying? Hawk made mention of it, but I sure didn't see it.

I usually like Ozz' over-all plan, but depending on what was said to Jon, the club should have some serious thoughts about removing him as manager. I don't tolerate some things and I honestly think some people are right when Ozzie can really blow things out of proportion and bring things down. Usually when he's doing it he's protecting players and its a good thing, but when he's berating his own for not hitting a guy (when they tried to), well than I have a problem. I don't mind if Ozzie goes over, asks what happens, Jon goes I tried and Guillen goes, next time get em. No need to do anything more than that. Now if Jon just ignored it the whole game, than thats another story.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:00 PM) You won't see a manager berate a player in the dugout more than that. At least Ozzie cares more about winning than getting revenge. I understand making a point, but you can't possibly tell me that Jon was trying to not hit Kinsler. Fact is he missed, just like Tracey tried to hit but missed. Stuff happens, get over it. Instead Ozz completely over-reacts and may have just jacked our best starter's magic up (we shall see how he reacts).