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QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 06:08 AM) I wouldnt give up any of those players alone for Soriano... well maybe Lacky but none of the others. Huh, Lackey may be the best non Twins pitcher in the AL. Why in the hell would you trade that for Soriano????

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 04:50 PM) Jake Peavy would fit in well with this group. Another pitcher above his career numbers. I can see it now, "this guy just needs to pitch up to his potential and we'll be fine." I think in Peavy's case he's not 100%. When on I take Peavy in a heart beat though and I wouldn't be opposed to trying to get him while his value is down. However, the Pads are going to be counting on him to improve if they are going to make any noise in the playoffs (if they hold there lead).

It may not have been pretty, but we needed a win for the confidence and we have our first post-ASB winning streak.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 11:21 PM) After looking at Rogo's performance tonight I wonder why there isn't much trade interest in him. I know most would like more HRs out their first baseman, but he does possess power and hits for a lot of 2 baggers and can be a speed threat on the bases as well. Traditionally he usually maintains a somewhat high average as well. (Even though he really doesn't look like he would ever steal a bag with that physique, he sure does it.) People just don't trade for first baseman without power. You have guys like Sean Casey or Mark Grace but those are usually few and far between. ROgo is a solid hitter with gap power, who is solid defensively and has good speed. However, I think Ross Gload is better than Rogo, obviously ROgo is younger, but in terms of tools they aren't very far off with the exception that Gload has a bit more power and can hit for even more so of an average (but I think really highly off Ross).

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 29, 2006 -> 11:18 AM) so skipping low A altogether? I still dont understand what the point of sending him to rookie ball was. Probably just to get him acclimated really quickly. They may have had something they wanted him to work on before going up a level or they may have figured he had a break between the last time he pitched in a game so give him a few starts at a lower level (the lower levels are less about winning than someone like Winston Salem who would be pissed if we forced a guy into there rotation that was gonna get hit his first few starts as he wasn't ready) before finally moving him up. I don't see the harm in it.

This is legit. He pulled his hamstring performing an endurance test. Its been widely reported but luckily the injury isn't incredibly serious. Of course Hammy's can be the type of thing that are lingering. I've seen him listed anywhere from day to day to missing 7-10.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 09:28 PM) I thought we have an option for Gooch in 2007. Ya, we will have him next year. The question is whether he had a clause in his contract that would make him exempt from arbitration (ie the club would have to release him, making him an unrestricted FA; a similar thing was in Matsui's contract and thats why the Yanks had to give him an extension). Basically if Iguchi's contract has that clause, we will have a short window to exclusively negotiate with him after 07, and than at one point or another (before the deadline to file for FA I guess) Iguchi would be released and than the Sox would no longer have the exclusive window as he'd be an unrestricted FA. I did a lousy job explaining that, but hopefully it makes some sense.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:59 PM) I don't think we could compete with the Angels offer; Santana is better than McCarthy, and I wouldn't give up McCarthy for Tejada so I don't understand what the Angels are thinking there. Hopefully Santana wasn't really offered (see McCarthy to Nationals talk earlier in the week) and the Sox could interest Baltimore in a lesser package. The Astros offer is garbage, imo. Damaged goods (Lidge) or crappy players (Everett). They might all be major leaguers, but I'd rather take my chances with some high ceiling prospects. I don't consider Lidge damaged goods. I do think he needs a cahnge of scenery but the stuff is still there. But in general I think the Astros need to pull the trigger on the proposed deal.

If I could root for anything in this series it would be for the two teams to completely beat each other up, go into each teams pen early and often and really have both left realing following the series. I really don't care what the results are, but I think I already said that once. I care most about the Sox taking care of business and if we don't I'll be rooting for the Twins and Tigers to do there business in the playoffs (unless the Angels are in it).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:33 PM) I put this together so none of you EVER have an excuse for fishing up someone's contract status . . . White Sox Contract Progression. Let me know if you see any mistakes. I'll get this up on the site on Sunday if you don't mind. I'll also link it on the top of the forums.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:26 PM) Looking at the deals being discussed, I'm not so sure that McCarthy and Uribe would be enough. McCarthy doesn't have the same value as E. Santana. Oh yeah....I was kinda hoping KW would take a shot at him, but I'm sure the price is too high. I'm not sure if he has the same value, but I'm also not exactly sure that offer is on the table. If it is the O's should pull the trigger. I also don't think there is a drastic difference between Brandon and Santana (I'd have really said that entering the year) although I'd be the first to admit you got to love Santana's arm and stuff. However, Brandon is real poised and darn good too (imo). But I'm saying thats what it would take for me to make that move and if they wanted another prospect I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as we aren't talking a darn good one (Tracey is as far as I'd go and this again assumes we get Cabrerra back). Otherwise I don't think its smart to move a young starter thats going to be in our rotation next year and hopefully for a long time.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:23 PM) If you're going to trade McCarthy, Tejada's one of the few guys who I would consider it. Rumors that Lidge would be in the trade. That would make things a little better, but I can't see having both Lidge and Ray in the same bullpen considering how good Ray is. It would make no sense since Lidge is going to be making some good money. Unless of course the Orioles just wanted to get Lidge in there, try and straighten him out down the stretch and than turn him over to another team for a few top prospects in the off-season. In that case I could buy the move. So are we talking Ensberg, Everett, and Lidge (plus a prospect) thats solid. However, I think Ensberg is over-rated (great power, little average) while Everett is a strong defensive player not a good hitter (not a guy I'd get rid of though cause I think he fits nicely in the bottom part of the order). So if I'm the O's and I pull htat deal, I would know that the Angels have interest in Ensberg and would see if I could turn Ensberg into Aybar and than hope in time I could spin Lidge into some quality spects as well. But Santana and Aybar...thats damn good.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) Would Miggy be willing to play 3rd base for the Angels, or would Cabrera move over to 3rd base for him? Don't forget they've got Brandon Wood and the likes of McPherson as well. Out here it appears the plan would be for Tejada to play 3rd, but obviously talks have not gotten to the point where the Angels have asked him or his agent whether he'd accept that type of move. They like the idea of Tejada because he's signed for 3 more years at a reasonable price.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:23 PM) If you're going to trade McCarthy, Tejada's one of the few guys who I would consider it. Rumors that Lidge would be in the trade. If I dealt McCarthy I want at least one pitcher coming back. So I'd do it if we moved Uribe and McCarthy and got Cabrera back. Otherwise no deal.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:22 PM) Farmer said tonight that they expect him to be moved in Baltimore. If I'm the Orioles I'm jumping all over the Angels' offer, that's incredibly solid. Santana would be a very quality starter for them for years to come and they add a major middle infield spect in Aybar to eventually replace Miggy, if not this year. Miggy just isn't worth McCarthy. Farmer said tonight that they expect him to be moved in Baltimore. If I'm the Orioles I'm jumping all over the Angels' offer, that's incredibly solid. Santana would be a very quality starter for them for years to come and they add a major middle infield spect in Aybar to eventually replace Miggy, if not this year. Miggy just isn't worth McCarthy. IMO The Angels offer >>> Ensberg, Everett and a pitching prospect. Santana is more proven than any prospect and Aybar is a heck of a prospect in his own right. If I'm the Angels, I'm giving up two more good prospects as opposed to Santana because I don't think they can afford to give him up.

If I were the Angels I'd see if I could include Saunders in that offer and get back Cabrerra and let Bud Black work with him. I can't see any deal that helps the Angels in which they give up Santana. Santana has a real live arm, is pitching well for them, and with Colon down you can't afford to lose two guys from your rotation and replace them with youngsters (Saunders would come in, but I don't know who else would). Aybar is a darn good prospect but the Angels got a dearth of middle infielders and can definately afford to move him. I think if I'm LAA, with those offers, I get a deal done involving Aybar and a lesser prospect for SOriano and take my chances on resigning him.

Thats some good stuff. I'm not a fan of baseball prospectus but Carroll has a lot of sources and just did a real nice job summing up what is going on. I assume he's going to be updating that throughout the days till the deadline passes so I'll be checking up on that site every once in a while. Thats a great deal the Astros may make for Tejada. Everett and Ensberg are nice, but Tejada is a star and if it costs you one darn good prospect and two decent players for a star you do it, imo. The offer they asked the Angels for was much more ridiculous, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Angels made a last second offer that included some damn good prospects. I would have said someone like Suanders could really influence the O's but with Colon going down Saunders goes off the market as being a final trade chip (along with one or two more bonafide top notch prospects).

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:12 PM) As someone who's long said he should be replaced on the roster, I want to give him credit for the huge hit tonight. I actually like Gload's skills....but he just doesn't fit what this team needs as a 25th man. With the September call-ups fast approaching, his role on the team will be better. He's one of the few guys on the team who can spray the ball around the field from line to line. I completely agree. I think his value is best suited on an NL team and I have long said If I ran a team he's the type of guy I think you could pick up on the cheap and get 250-350 quality at bats from in a real versatile way.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:11 PM) I do believe that to be true. Yep, I'll 3rd that. I'm 99% sure that it was in Baltimore.

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) And if Ozuna was thrown out, people will scream for Ozzie's ass - How stupid can you be to have Ozuna steal a base when Thome or Konerko is coming up? As a non stat guy, I say get the guy to 2nd so your big hitter can deliver a single (considering were in a major slump). But luckily Ross came through and that could be the spark that gets this team back on track. All that said, we should still be willing to call hit and runs and stolen bases because it will keep the team fresh and make sure the opposition is focused defensively.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:08 PM) Our bullpen is so fishing stacked right now. It's awesome If they execute and stay healthy it will be a real nice thing to have for a few years. The rotation can get bailed out at times by that pen and hopefully we'll see the rotation really put things together. As much as I slammed Freddy tonight he wasn't awful and it was his second straight acceptable start which is nice.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 07:07 PM) You know, I like Gload. Always have. I wouldn't cry if he got cut or replaced on the team, but he always gives it his all. I've been a Gload guy for a few years now and I just wish there was a way for him to play more, but its so tough to find any spots for him. He's just a good fundemental hitter and the players like him in the clubhouse. I remember this spring when he made a great catch in Milwaulkee's facility in Maryville and was helped off the field only to be back the following day after what looked like a horrible injury. This was in the midst of all the speculation of whether he'd make the club or not. That next game was a game against the Royals and he was in the game and word came out that the Sox had just traded for Thornton, which essentially assured Ross a roster spot.

I also want to give Ozz credit for bringing in two lefties and pulling the right strings late in this game. Without Pods and Mack we don't have Gload up in that situation.

Man it was gut wrenching and I think most of us were a bit exhausted from the Sox failure to execute for a good chunk of the game (whether it was an error that lead to a run or us not getting clutch hits) but Gload made that go away temporarily and at least helps right the ship for a night with a huge grand slam and than a nice job at first to get his foot back on the bag after a high Uribe throw to record the final out. MacDougal pitched good in his stint, Thornton was nasty and Jenks was as well while Garcia at least kept the club in it and wasn't quite as bad as his numbers indictated (his changeup is becoming his best pitch). We needed it and hopefully Jon can go out tomorrow and turn this into a winning streak

SOX WIN SOX WIN Man does that feel good to type. Uribe throws it high but Gload just gets his foot back on the bag to make the out.