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QUOTE(PA32R @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 08:53 PM) I just joined this board the other day, been reading it extensively. This is the first time I've actually laughed out loud. Welcome

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 09:48 AM) Does this Lee trade set the bar a little as to what teams will offer for Soriano? I hope so, they gave up a reliever due a big contract next year, a prospect thats a little older (Nix) who has yet to find a way to be there everyday centerfielder despite being handed the job a couple times, and a guy who is a streaky hitter that had one big HR haven when he changed his shoe size earlier this season who is thought of as a shady clubhouse guy.

Right now Vazquez is the least of this clubs worries. At least he gives the Sox a chance to mount a decent size lead in the first 5 innings. Buehrle gives the Sox no chance at that and gives it right back up anytime the team helps him out. Hate to rip on Buehrle, but fact of the matter is (and maybe this explains a whole lot to why we are the team we are right now) that Vazquez is arguably the 3rd best starter on this staff (and I'd easily say that if it weren't for Garcia actually having a good game his last start).

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 28, 2006 -> 10:11 AM) The Brewers did really good. They unloaded CLee and got some very reasonable contracts. Contract Situation: Mench - signed 1 yr deal for 2.8M, can become a FA in 2008 Cordero - signed thru 06, with 07 option ($5mil or 500k buyout) Nix - Minor Leagues The best player they got (Cordero) is going to get 5 million next year if they want him. Thats a lot of money for the Brewers to pay for a reliever. Turnbow had a funk but he's still pretty solid and they have a nice 8/9 inning combo there but I think they could have done much better.

The Rangers wanted to dump Mench, had little use for Nix and gave up one hell of an arm for a guy who can hit the heck out of the ball (Lee) and a decent OF prospect. Pretty good move since the Rangers had the ability to fork those players up without losing a beat (although Coredero will hurt a bit) but if they lock him up long term, great move. On the other end the Brewers can make this move and still stay relatively competitive and my guess is Brady Clark will be the next guy on the move with Nix replacing him in CF. Mench may be a better NL hitter than AL one too. Cordero will be nice for the pen, but they should have got top prospects back instead of Mench and Nix. Apparently they didn't want prospects though and think this is less of a sign of giving up than it would have been had they got spects in return. Or maybe they now plan on swinging Mench to another team.

C Lee threads will be closed now that he's been moved to the Rangers

Hell next year we may be talking about Verlander in the same tone as Prior since the Tigers are going to have him go a ridiculous ass increase in innings pitch and I don't think anyone at his age is ready to make that type of innings jump. Its sad too cause this guy has the stuff to be one of the dominant forces in baseball for the next 10-15 years (his FB change combo is really sick right now and he can ocassionally flash other plus secondary stuff).

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 11:58 AM) I wouldn't trade Lackey, Weaver or Santana for Soriano straight up. Why Bowden thinks they could also get Wood is beyond me. Ya I was laughign when I saw it but I think its the times/angels spinning a bunch of BS excuses as to why you won't see them make a move. Really it has to deal with there GM being a sissy ninny who will never ever ever trade a prospect. I'm sure the first phone call the two teams had Bowden had some ridiculous demand just like the Angels made some ridiculous offer (like Adam Kennedy for Soriano). The Angels probably just leaked it so it sounded like it was ridiculous (which it was) but the business part of the game tells me thats a bunch of phony baloney (Bowden actually sticking to those demands).

I don't get it, Broadway is a pretty well though of pitching prospect and while I was one of the people panning for Carillo, I remember a lot of people having concerns about him and not many people really called him a pure "stuff" guy. The most risky pick of the bunch was Bogusevic because he was a pretty good overall athlete (good hitter and pitcher IIRC) but was much more of a work in progress and I am not sure how he's been doing with Houston. Broadway has a good FB and some damn good secondary pitches. He throws in the low 90's....that is no the definition of a soft tosser. There are TONS of good pitchers that throw in the low 90's. Now if we were talking about the 80's that would be one thing. I love guys like Verlander, but you aren't going to get that type of arm not picking really high on the most part. There are exceptions but those are Boras guys that JR/KW don't deal with on the draft. And obviously there are guys that are hard throwing and insanely wild that some teams will take later on and you can get international guys or always find a guy who projects well and really adds velocity as he grows/matures.

QUOTE(Stocking @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 11:49 AM) Not very insightful, but that kid has the biggest F'in feet ever. looks like he wears clown shoes on the rubber Yes, someone else who agrees with me. I call him the clown and It has nothing to do with the way he pitches, he just looks like a clown on the rubber.

The LA Times today had a little story talking about Soriano and the Angels. The Angels are planning on using Howie Kendrick as a super utility guy so they can get his bat in the lineup. It seems like they have already written off any chance of getting Soriano. Bowden has asked for one of Lackey, Weaver, or Santana along with highly touted prospect Brandon Wood. Are you kidding me. I know initial proposals are one thing, but wow. Later on Bowden was quoted as I don't have to trade Soriano, the price I ask now will be the same price I ask at the deadline.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 27, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) The Tigers have managed to go 4 months without "comming down to earth", what makes you think they'll do that now? Just curious. Even if the TIgers don't, the Sox just need to play good baseball the rest of the way (something they haven't done in a few weeks). They do that and they'll be at least in a position to win the WC. With the way the Tigers are playing you can't expect anything, although if they hit a slide it will be interesting to see if they can dig themselves out. Hell I'm still interested in seeing if the Sox can or if we should just hire a new manager at the end of the season.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jul 26, 2006 -> 10:29 AM) rumor is based on conjecture and as a result, no 3rd team is named. Gracias

In the midst of studying so don't have time to read this whole thread. Can anyone sum things up, are these rumors hot or more preliminary discussion. Also have any names officially been linked to this rumor (in the sense of the 3rd team involved and names other than Zito that are a part of it)?

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:44 PM) Although he isn't having a great year, would the Sox pursue Haigwood again if they were dealing with Texas? I'd have to think that the fact that they traded them speaks volumes of where they thought he would be. Not saying he won't be a good player, but teams usually try there best to trade guys they don't have projected as high as others. Kenny has very few guys on his board and everyone else is available if it gets him what he wants. In the case of guys on his board, he's reluctant to deal them and would demand a guy that would not only help the team now but years down the road (giving up Olivo/Reed/Chris Young are the only 3 that I think were on his big board).

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:20 PM) I really would bet that is what Kenny is waffling over....Sweeney. That could definately be the 3rd player. Kenny may say hey take Owens and another prospect. It could also be Liotta, who despite falling down a bit this year, the Sox may feel he's under-valued at this point. However, if the team could replace Sweeney, even better, but I make this deal if we plan on making a serious effort at bringing back Alfy.

QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Yeah, Kenny, Soxtalk's servers are begging you, get this deal over with! I want the deal to happen. We made a change to the server set up this morning to increase connections by about 300% and I am curious to see if we did it properly (we may have to make one change) so I'm open to anything that puts a lot of pressure on the server so we can see what this baby could handle. It was flying after we made some adjustments last night with 240 plus members on. Lets break 400 again and than 500 when we repeat

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) Stark's latest report claims that while Kirkijan still claims that the White Sox and Nationals are in talks, the deal was never extremely close. He says that most GM's aren't buying the rumors, and are wondering how Bowden could do this deal this early if both Fields and McCarthy are unavailable. States that Bowden is still inviting offers. Speculates KW may be trying to put a package together that includes Broadway, Sweeney, and Liotta, but those aren't the kind of blue chip prospects Bowden is looking for. That is the deal you may take on Sunday, but not on Tuesday. Interesting and that seems like a very fair package. I know a lot of people would hate us giving up Sweeney, but if the Sox plan on keeping Soriano than we may not need Sweeney. Of course Sweeney could replace Dye in time, but thats still a ways down the road and we could always opt for something else or trade for a prospect of sorts.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:15 PM) Hey ChiSoxfn, when this gets super long, could you just merge it with the locked thread and we'll start another. I have a feeling people will have at least 120 more pages of discussions on Soriano. Soriano = Griffey & Chavez combined in terms of discussion on this board. If it comse to that definately. Of course I'm hoping the next thread will be the one where we change this to announcing the deal as being OFFICIAL.

I know we did this a few times with the Griffeytalk last year and some of the other rumors so its always nice to have a thread where people can come to and look for the most recent info: It appears the two clubs are still talking and that the Sox are still the favorites. According to Kurkijian the package is believed to involve 3 players, one of which Levine has reported to potentially be Broadway (someone the Sox have been hesitant to give up) and the major holdup (again according to Kurkijian) is on the 3rd player in the deal. Here's some food for thought: Broadway, Pods, Tracey for Soriano They get a leadoff hitter who they can put in LF and control his rights for another couple years (or they could move him), a pretty good RHP pitching prospect that could be ready for the majors in a year (not saying he'd be good in a year, but I think he could handle himself sometime next year) and a guy like Tracey who could pitch now (maybe we give them a 4th prospect, in this case, being a low level minor leaguer). Nats get some talent, Sox get there guy without giving up McCarthy or any other starter.

This is a good move by the Royals. The Dodgers are probably paying most of his salary and Dessens isn't going to help them. Perez, if on, is a pretty darn solid lefty who could get them a few pretty good prospects a year from now. Plus they got a few minor leaguers (no idea if they are any good) to go with Perez. When your the Royals, try and stock yourself with as much talent as possible and than see what sticks.

By the way, with this thread getting so huge, we'll carry discussion over to a new thread. I think 62 pages is a good even number. This way new people can come in pretty quickly and figure out whats going on.

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 01:39 PM) You as well as I do NOT know that! Since the Allstar game, our offense has been so terrible and inconsistent. Adding more woes to that, our pitching starters haven't fared too well either. If the pitching is not doing good, BA with his great defensive skills will not be able to do anything! If getting Soriano is to ignite whatever underneath the team to fire them up, so be it! Of course, if I have a choice, I will MUCH prefer to have Soriano AND BA, but if we have to give up BA in order to get Soriano, I will DO it. Offenses are streaky, defenses tend not to be and it would be in our best interest to always put the best defense on the field. We have offensive weapons, they are in a slump. BA should be playing everyday in CF and if we could move Pods in a Soriano package I do it. Otherwise I try and get a righty bat that cna play some defense as a 4th outfielder and call it a trade deadline.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 02:02 PM) 4 pm update on ESPN1000, the update guy quoted Bruce Levine as saying the White Sox and Nationals are talking, and the White Sox are putting together a package of prospects, possibly to include Lance Broadway. It seems like the Tigers best prospects are both hurt and with the Tigers now having a bigger lead I think they are starting to think and wonder whether they should risk making a big move. The Angels aren't a team known to overpay while the Twins could definately use him but they may be hesitant to give up whats necessary. Nor do I really think they have the mixture of prospects that the Sox have. A lower budget team like the Twins can't afford to give up a ton of prospects for a guy they may lose. A 100 mill payroll team has a bit more leeway. On Around the Horn, Marriotti really stuck up for BA and thats nice to see. I actually like Jay on around the horn for the most part.

QUOTE(bbmom @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 01:23 PM) Kind of makes me wonder..........Russell and Harrell first game in Birmingham, they both got rocked....Liotta and Rodriguez come back to W.S and their second games are almost back where they used to be.... I think part of it just has to deal with them pushing themselves a bit. I know Harrell had an early jam but than got rolling. It could just be the FutureSox jinx, we interview them, and than the following starts they get shelled (Hopefully after the fact they'll get back on a roll). Both have emerged as solid prospect. Harrell has a bit more upside than Russell, but both should be guys to watch this year and in the coming years.