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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 10:01 PM) Agreed, moreso Nocioni since he's really a 3 and Luol is the future at that spot. I like Duhon's game as a complimentary player long term a lot. I'd give up Duh first because with Pierce you can have Hinrich get almost all the minutes at the point (and Hinrich plays tons of minutes as does Duh). Than go out and draft a PG in the 2nd round that fits Skiles mold. I think its relatively easy to find those type of PG's cause they aren't sexy picks and typically are out there in the 2nd round (usually there are a couple solid defensive pg's that go later in teh draft cause everyone knows they will never be stars).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:55 PM) I for one think that the best thing this team could possibly do assuming KG is unavailable is to make a bull rush at Aldridge. Even if we have to trade 2 picks to move up, or give up Gordon and a pick to move up. This team is missing strength in the middle. It's the same thing that hurt us in the playoffs against Washington last year...Washington had a couple different post players, none of whom were totally dominant, but all of whom together were enough to get Chandler worn out and in foul trouble, leaving the lane wide open for penetrating guys. This team needs someone who can turn around and do that on the other team. That's the 2nd biggest thing we lost when we got rid of curry, next to the headache. Hopefully, Aldridge can develop into the kind of guy we're missing. And if we can get him without giving up Gordon...having that extra size and strength in the lane may very well make all the other guys on the team better, since they'll wind up with more open shots. I completely agree. Its why I said curry was more valuable to the Bulls than to other teams since we had no other low post options when it comes to scoring. Its very hard to be consistently good when your team struggles to find high percentage shots. Aldridge would definately be a key to most of my ideas. Of course there are other options that may not be as attractive but could semi get the job done. I just hope that Knicks pick will be enough for us to get him.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:51 PM) Um, Redd was torched by Hinrich and would've been burned even more if his team gave him the ball on the times he called for it. BTW, this trade is looking to obtain more scorers, not lose any. If the name isn't KG, Pax won't be trading Gordon. You can't criticize Gordon either for going on shooting sprees and being quiet the rest of the game when Tyson did the exact same on the defensive end. That's just cherry picking. Hinrich let his man score at will on him tonight, Tyson played like crap, and Ben has had better shooting nights. We were able to gut it out, but against better teams, we won't get away with as much. One legit scorer is enough, especially if/when they find that low post scorer in the off-season. With someone that can force defenses to collapse in the paint and a guy like Pierce who can create a shot and get free throws on nights where he's off, you than have the ability to get Hinrich open looks and when he's given that his shooting percentage will sky-rocket and Deng will see his scoring average and efficiency improve as well. Ben Gordon doesn't make those guys better, Pierce will and dramatically. Oh in case your wondering Redd jacked up so many damn shots it wasn't even funny. Sure he scored but he shot a ridiculously low % and for a decent chunk of the time it wasn't Hinrich on him. In case your wondering 12-34 is not a good shooting % (that was Redd's).

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:50 PM) I'd be surprised if they do, but I'm praying for the TT/Gordon/Bulls pick for Pierce trade. I like Ben, but he really is BAD (yes bad) at EVERYTHING except scoring. And he's basically a 6'2 2 guard, so to get Pierce (a legit 2 guard and scorer) for Gordon, TT, and a mid 1st rounder would be very nice. But I doubt it happens. I'd give up Duh or Noc if thats what it took.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:45 PM) I doubt that. Morrison probably couldn't keep up with half the power fowards in the NBA. His legs and ahtleticism are that bad. Morrison would be a bad pick for this team, especially with the system Skiles runs. Morrison wouldn't see more than 10 minutes a game. Morrison will go around 6-12 when its all set and done. Reddick will go higher than that and honestly I can see him being a better version of Wally Z. While I realize a lot of people hate JJ, he has vastly improved his game and is no longer just a shooter. I don't think he'll ever be an outstanding or even good defensive player but with work and the right approach he can be average (I think all NBA players on the most part have the ability to be average defensive players because defense is more energy than athletisim; it takes athletism to be great defensively though) defensively and offensively he is a lights out shooter and has improved when it comes to passing, driving, and working through screens. But Aldridge or Gay all the way. Its too bad Oden can't go pro cause that would be who I would be clammoring for.

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:41 PM) I remember Collison talked to one of my classes. He was asked about recruiing and said... he was going to sign at ISU but Eustachy scared his gramma, and he decided to drop them. I know Colly was an ISU guy and that was the one that got away but if Hinrich were going to stay in state my cousin told me from what he heard he was going to go to Iowa (my cousin is the only way I get any recruiting info...well that and you guys and you do an awful job keeping me up to date on who Iowa is recruiting, lol). That said I still love Hinrich but if he were a Hawkeye grad...oh man I'd have an even bigger man crush. I just appreciate the fact that Hinrich is such a damn solid all around player and not many youngsters are willing to play as gritty as him. He's whats right in the NBA, imo.

QUOTE(quickman @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 07:30 PM) Jason, I am there from the 18th to April 1- I will be at the Brewers game if you want to have a beer. Pm me we can swap cells. I am also going to every game in between road and away. Sounds cool, will shoot ya the info tomorrow after I get out of class.

Just turned this into the official trade deadline thread. In a day or so I'll merge this into the NBA thread, but until than post the rumors in here I guess. I'm hoping this will prevent tons of individual threads to pop up. But if the Bulls deal for Garnett or Pierce than you have my permission to make seperate threads Well as long as White Boy Hinrich stays on the team. I'll cry if he leaves. My favorite player in the NBA.

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 08:46 PM) We recruited a white kid who is not european, have not seen that at KU since the Iowa boys...haha. God I wish Hinrich stuck in state and went to Iowa.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) Bogut is a goofy ass looking mother f***er with those black tights. I'd love him on the Bulls though. Smart player with a good big mans body. Plus he's very mobile. I think he could turn into a pretty damn good defensive player and he has nice touch on the offensive end and is already a decent passer.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:25 PM) We will hear those two names talked about 702390509823589 times the rest of this season and the off-season ( on here anyway). I think Pax is smarter than that. Now if we move someone like Noc in a deadline deal and end up getting LaMarcus Aldridge in the draft than I wouldn't have much of a problem going with a guy like Nazr or Harrington if the price was right (assuming a Noc/Gordon type deal would get us a good scorer at the 2 position which would allow Hinrich to play PG full time and guard PG's most of the time). Pax is in a position to get the Bulls in a real good spot going into the off-season where our Knicks pick plus the right signing (and we have cash) could do wonders, especially if he's able to get a real good SG right now without giving up Deng/Chandler/Hinrich. Cause those 3 shouldn't be going anywhere unless the team is getting a KG/Lebron/Kobe/Wade type player

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 08:36 PM) Bulls get a nice win over the Bucks, 97-91. Couple of big blocks late by Tyson, good to see. Big night for Kirk. Ya, everyone who yaps on and on about Hinrich and how he can't make a bucket should watch this game. It was the 2nd game in about a 5 game span where he blew up late in the 4th quarter (he did so in the Clippers game as well). Hinrich was one of the big reasons this team won the game tonight as he hit big bucket after big bucket late in the 4th plus he made a great pass to Gordon to hit a huge 3 right at the end. Oh and did I mention he stuck on Redd like glue in the final two minutes or so. Also those were a couple awesome blocks by Tyson. Chandler was in foul trouble most of the game but he came up big in the end. Gordon was very quiet for the most part sans one 3 point shooting spree. To make matters worse he wasn't protecting the basketball and luckily he was guarding that horrific scorer in TJ Ford cause he looked ridiculous on defense (Gordon's defensive positioning and fundementals were horrid). I'm ready to let Gordon go and have been for a while but I should re-iterate it should only be done if we are getting a legit scorer in a return. I'm talking about a Paul Pierce type guy. Give up Gordon, our pick and TT and see if a team is willing to give us something good. I'd probably be willing to give up Noc in a package with Gordon if we were getting two guys back (one legit scorer of the Paul Pierce mode) and than a guy with a decent (albeit not great contract) who can provide depth for the loss of Noc. Gordon is going to be a very good scorer in time, but a guy like Pierce is already a great scorer and putting a guy like that who can create his own shot would make this offense so much better. Add a post player in the off-season while keeping Deng/Hinrich/Chandler and than one of Noc/Duhon and the rest of the cast and I think we'd be in position to compete for a championship in a year or two.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 06:36 PM) Also about the trade deadline, don't trade for anyone...unless his initials are KG. Harrington can be had during the summer without trading talent. Pierce is darn good, but Gordon is starting to come into his own. We don't need Harrington. This team needs bigs and pissing away money on guys that aren't going to solve that problem would be foolish. Nazr and Harrington do not count. They don't give us a legit low post scorer.

I think Kenyon Martin for something like Crawford and Maurice Taylor would be an actual solid move for the Knicks. They obviously don't need Crawford any more and when healthy Martin is pretty solid.

Ugly Skank b**** Twat

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) Are you sure? I don't want to kick someone out and find out that I screwed up. I'm sure.

QUOTE(sin city sox fan @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 03:03 PM) I'll be at those games on the 17th and 18th....than heading up to Phoenix to see them play the Brewers and Royals on Sunday and Monday. I can't wait....just 3 1/2 weeks til roadtrip time! I'm at the games against the Brewers and Royals as well as the Ranger game. Just going to Tuscon for the Rangers game since we stay in Mesa. Royals have an awesome facility if you've never been to it and the Brewers is very nice as well (only been to each once, but I remember the Brewers one had real good food).

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 09:39 AM) Well anyone be there March 12th-15th?? I'll be there right after you. March 16th-20th.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 08:32 AM) I was at a bar on Friday night and people were openly laughing at her. She was so far ahead, and then decided to put on a show for the crowd instead of just racing for the line. Then afterwards the goofy story about how she wasnt hotdogging it. That she grabbed her board to make it land quicker. Well next time dear, please dont arch and tilt the board so you can do a "Grab 120 Fakee" when you have 50 meters to go for Gold. Not that this bothers me but it was an easy trick. It would be like being on a wide open breakaway and missing a slam dunk in a sense. It wasn't like she was going for a windmill dunk. It just happened to bite her in the ass, but the world thinks its this complicated trick because Bob Costas Mr. Jackass told us so. I swear he thinks he knows everything about every sport enough to comment on the level of difficutly of stupid moves. Leave that up to the pro's and people that do the sport. She screwed up but people like him are the reason it gets blown out of proportion. Take this from someone who snowboards about once a week during the winter and someone that has a sister thats sponsored in the very sport. It was a routine move, much like a slam dunk as opposed to taking a layup. I should add I'm not slamming you irish, just making a comment cause Costas has been ticking me off.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 08:25 AM) I could see how he may have had a hard time at first. But the harder barrier for him probably came from within his own race. I'm not sure where he grew up but if he went to a predominately black school its a guarantee he got ripped for climbing into one of those one piece suits and going ice skating. Like any sport, regardless of the color of your skin it takes time to make your way. For him it was probably 10 times more difficult. No one knows enough of the background history to make any judgements and instead of this being a great, defying the odd story, it has become a huge pissing party. Just like any white male in high school would have gotten crap if he told his friends he did figure skating or did that dance contest (even if his partner was a hot girl). Fact of the matter is if it was a race issue its simply the fact that his own race was giving him s***. I don't hear people making fun of tiger for being black or asian despite the fact there are like zero african american golfers on the tour and I doubt he ever got crap at Stanford. Sure there are racists here and there but its more in his case the race stereotype he had to get passed. Male cheerleaders have to get passed the gender stereotype. Everyone goes through it so quit with the poor me stuff. Nothing pisses me off more.

QUOTE(Steff @ Feb 22, 2006 -> 08:17 AM) Did you see her father's face...?? I thought he was going to have a stroke. When did the Olympics stop being an honor to these jerks? That girl wanted it badly. Watch most of the events and you'll see in the ski/snowboard style events people usually do some sort of mini trick as they get near the finish line if they are up big. Unfortunately she went off the jump wrong from the get go (she would have probably fallen regardless) cause it was awkward from the start. She never said anything wrong either, imo. Now these fools and Bodie or Bode now thats a disgrace. And in the midst of all these disgraceful athletes lets not forget Kildow whose just gutted the olympics out. She won't win anything but thats a positive story regardless. The media just talks about the few stupid things that happen instead of the good stuff. But thats the media.

JelloShooters is Alex and Brain Fart is my buddy. Kick out Castro's Cronies, they aren't anyone thats supposed to be in the league.

If any team makes it to the final 4 its gonna be MSU. OSU is a sleeper and I think Iowa/Illinois/OSU/MSU/Wiscy are all capable of being sweet 16 teams. If I was going to see any team getting knocked out super early it would be Michigan or Iowa but if Iowa can play at a high level they are very capable thanks to there defense (just like Illinois).

Davis almost got the gold. That Italian has kicked ass in this years olympics.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 21, 2006 -> 09:13 PM) I'm not looking to pile on here, but let's be honest, why was Illinois ranked 8th in the country? They have one victory over a team that was ranked in the top 25 when they played them. Compare to #20-22 Iowa, who has 8 wins over teams ranked in the top 25 (when the game was played) Sure, Illinois only has 5 losses, but they played exactly one tough non-conference game, and that was for the ACC-Big10 challenge. IMO, I'd have OSU and Mich state ranked about 12-14. Iowa and Illinois 16-18, Wiscy 22nd and Mich recieving votes. One think about Iowa is I'm pretty sure we rank 3rd in the country in wins over top 25 teams (behind Uconn and Duke). Of course I'm not about to put Iowa in the top 10 but if the Illini belong there than I'd have to say we do too. I agree with your rankings though sans MSU. I've long said I have no idea why the Illini are ranked as high as they are. I think MSU is the most talented team in the conference but they haven't consistently played that way and I'd have both Iowa and Illinois ahead of them in the polls.