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QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:20 PM) Is garland a FA after this season? No the Sox control his rights for one more year.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) fill me in folks we getting it done in the ninth? Top of the 9th and the Sox are up 2. Rowand had a basehit.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:19 PM) Worst case scenario: Do you still think we'll raise payroll that much if Sox don't make the playoffs? I won't talk about the Sox and playoffs, but regardless of the outcome this year, you will see a good size raise. Minimum this payroll will be 80 million and if they win in September, they will have a payroll at a minimum of 85 million.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) Yeah, I have to say that this gamethread = the best. Lots of fun tonight, hopefully they can cap it off with a WSW. Plus I actually liked the rain delay. Meant I was able to finish all my homework and study longer for my test that I got in the morning. Well that and I actually get to watch a game late at night (10:20 out here) which is a nice change of pace.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) They have nearly 70 million invested in 16 players next year i have just read. That seems kinda high to me but i have not checked to see if it was accurate or not. Either way, i would rather up grade at mutiple positions than just one... especially considering the guy we would be paying twelve millio has only had one great year and one solid one. Thats not accurate. Not at all. Sox payroll currently stands at 75 million roughly. Remove Konerko/Thomas/Everett's contracts from the books and that will push the payroll far lower. Konerko will probably get a 4 mill raise, so you could say that the Sox will save about 7 million between losing Thomas/Everett which would put the club at roughly 68 million. Than you got a raise to Garland (2-3 mill), raises to Buehrle and any other arb players. Basically put, the current roster sans Everett/Thomas and with all raises will be right around 72 million. Than you deal Marte and Duque and the payroll is in the 66 mill range with McCarthy replacing Brandon and the Sox needing to find someone to replace Duque. Payroll will be at least 85 million next year, so that gives the Sox roughly 20 million to play with to fill DH/3rd/lefty reliever and add a bench player or two. Plus if they want to give anyone else raises they can do that as well.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) Whew.....Pods didn't exactly get a good jump on that flyball. When does Pods get a good jump?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) He has played over 150 games five times now ( gonna be six) and has over 500 at-bats six times in his career... hardly was his first full season last year. It was his first full season of doing really well though... will give you that. I am not saying he doesn't have the potential to be really good and stay really good for years and year... but i rather not be the sucker paying him 12 million a year when we have money problems as is. I should add, 12 million a year is more than the Sox paid Everett and Thomas combined last year. The Sox can afford to pay Beltre 12 million.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) He has played over 150 games five times now ( gonna be six) and has over 500 at-bats six times in his career... hardly was his first full season last year. It was his first full season of doing really well though... will give you that. I am not saying he doesn't have the potential to be really good and stay really good for years and year... but i rather not be the sucker paying him 12 million a year when we have money problems as is. I meant to say 1st full healthy season.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) I just want to know who will trade for him? I say deal him, Marte for Chad Tracy (and try to get something else from Arizona). If they want Fields too, fine by me. I really like Chad Tracy and think he'd be a tremendous fit in this offense. Could DH most of the time, ocassionally spelling Konerko at 1st and whoever is playing 3rd. I should add, it is a must to sign Konerko. There is no option of not resigning him. It will be way too difficult to lose Konerko and bring in 3 new bats, considering the ineptness of this years FA crop.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) Hermanson might need back surgery, so I doubt his value will be high. I'd rather keep him, and let him be a versatile reliever. As I'm sure you know, myself and others have been saying Marte was going to get traded over the offseason. Obviously, that's almost a given now. I wouldn't be shocked to see a trade of Contreras and Marte for Overbay. Plus Hermy's contract is a great value.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:59 PM) You put Beltre on a team with a home field where the opposite field is a great power alley, and he would hit 35 homers easily at the Cell. My only concern with him is that he seems to get dinged up every game. He's a tough guy, plasy through his injuries. I mean, I don't even need to bring up the fact that he put up the greatest numbers of any 3rd baseman (in one season) and thats just my opinion all in a pitchers park known as Chavez Ravine (Dodger Stadium).

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) Podsednik doing what he does best..... Make outs on the basepaths. The guy needs to stop running. He's turning into Juan Uribe on the paths (an instant out when stealing).

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) Also, Crede with a big hit, hopefully Pods can go back up the middle to drive him in.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) Well, he fits in with the whole latin familia thing, and at least he gives you some stability at the position. My faith in Fields panning out, obviously, isn't too high. Get me Beltre, and if Konerko isn't resigned, Overbay. Giving up the prospects will be a drag, but you're getting two next year from the arbitration picks from PK. Move McCarthy into the rotation, El Duque as our Glendon Rusch long reliever/spot starter type. Grab a couple of NRI's, and let's head to Tuscon. El Duque will not be a member of the White Sox by spring training next year. You can take that to the bank.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) Well, he fits in with the whole latin familia thing, and at least he gives you some stability at the position. My faith in Fields panning out, obviously, isn't too high. Get me Beltre, and if Konerko isn't resigned, Overbay. Giving up the prospects will be a drag, but you're getting two next year from the arbitration picks from PK. Move McCarthy into the rotation, El Duque as our Glendon Rusch long reliever/spot starter type. Grab a couple of NRI's, and let's head to Tuscon. I was gonna say, I'd deal Fields to the Mariners as well. I'm not a big Fields fan, although I hope he pans out. Guchi comes through with a basehit. What the hell, did Pods get thrown out????

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:55 PM) Last season was not a fluke for him? He never had an ops over .835 before last season and was over .800 only once. The he just explodes in his contract year ( surprise, surprise...) and puts up an ops over .1000? You tend to overated beltre alot. Maybe, but at the same time you guys under-rate him. He had trouble adjusting to the AL, but two years ago was also his first full season and he finally lived up to his potential. Its not like peopel didn't see him having the taletn to explode the way he does. You don't just hit 50 plus hr's and knock in 130 guys (rough estimates) while hitting well over .300 on accident. He finally got healthy and learned to lay off the s***ty pitches.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:53 PM) To tell you the truth i do not care if all of our offensive players are right handed as long as they hit right handers well. We cannot touch a right handed pitcher with any good off speed pitches. Thats true for the most part. However, a really good righty pitcher has a better shot at a really good righty hitter. Now for a mediocre righty, not too much of a concern. In general, getting good hitters is what matters. In the end my guess is the Sox will slide Guchi to the 3 slot, sign Furcal, shift Uribe to 3rd, and pick up a DH to go to the cleanup spot with Konerko sliding to the 5 hole. That won't be bad. However, I'd prefer picking up Beltre and Chad Tracy while resigning Konerko. I've long said I'd deal Marte/Duque for Tracy and If they wanted a prospect I'd give them a mid-level guy as well. Than move Gio/Sweeney and whoever the hell else for Beltre. Another name I'll throw out that a team would love to unload is JD Drew (who could DH). However, I don't see the Sox adding a Boras rep, let alone a guy thats super injury prone. If they want to do that they might as well target Griffey again in the off-season. Also, Crede with a big hit, hopefully Pods can go back up the middle to drive him in.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) I can see beltre putting up a near .900 ops here... but still would not make him worth the money. It's not like the mariners would ever take money on, because quite frankly they should not have to. At the cell he would post a 1.000 plus OPS. Beltre is a way better player than most people here give him credit for. Last season was not a fluke for him.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) If I had any faith that he could turn in around... and that we could get Seattle to take on some money... Adrian Beltre. I have total faith. Beltre will hit 35 HR's next year and have a .280 AVG. Beltre has been knocking in runs at a very good clip since August and is a total stud at 3rd. In fact, I think he's better than Crede over there. I'd be so thrilled if the Sox made that type of investment/addition to this club. Unfortunately I can't see Seattle giving him up and yes, I'd take the entire contract, and give up Gio and Sweeney for him.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) Stop being so positove while we are all trying to be negative!!! I tell it like it is. You can't possibly expect them to get a hit everytime a runner is on base. Tonight they have done a good job getting the clutch hit, aside from that 1st inning which was totally inexcuseable.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) It will be a 3B.... Uribe is.. 1) Healthy 2) Hispanic 3) Coachable (at least compared to Crede) Crede has offseason back surgery in his future. Drops his back shoulder more than any player in baseball, yet refuses to correct it. And is a Scott Boras client. I tend to agree with you. Of course there aren't many 3rd baseman out there that would fit my needs for the Sox (almost as good defensively as Crede, left handed bat would be a plus, but not required as long as the new DH swings from the left side). Beltre and Chavez would obviously fit that bill (I realize Chavez isn't an option). Chad Tracy can't play 3rd base full time nor can Aubrey Huff. Both of them could fit as a DH (I know there may be better options than Huff, but if you can get him for a good value I think he's worth the risk). I'll throw out another option for you. Jeff Kent as a DH. Dodgers are a total mess and could consider dealing him with a year left. The guy can still hit and could ocassionally play some 2nd and 3rd.

Another thing of beauty.

Sox did have 2 basehits with 2 outs tonight though. Thats not all that bad. They failed miserably in the 1st inning, but aside from that they've actually gotten a couple 2 out rallies and have hit the ball hard most of the game.

Ask me when the club clinches. Till than I refuse to talk about the playoffs.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) 3 doubles and a walk for Rowand? Wow. this is like he was for the latter half of last season. If he can get going, the Sox could have a legit 3 hole hitter. *Dreams*