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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) With Teagarden, people were talking Mike Matheny-good defense. I personally think that Matheny is pampered a helluva lot for a guy that barely hits .230, but even getting a catcher like Matheny in the draft has to be viewed as a plus, especially not in round one... The problem is where he was drafted I"d have to think he'll be a real tough sign, especially with Boras repping him. He's going to want 1st round to supplemental round money and Boras is gonna make damn sure he does. He still has a year of eligibility as well as leverage. I think the Rangers drafted him (may be wrong) and if true its the local connection so they may know something in terms of signability, but I think there is a good shot you'll see him hold out for a 800 - 1 mill or so and if he doesn't get it, he'll just go back to college.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 07:17 PM) Any sleepers/favorite picks yet? Obviously, we don't know how these kids will do once they hit the minor leagues, but I really like the pick of Getz. Seems like he can handle the bat well at the plate, walk a bunch, and play good defense. Getz is one of my fav's, but I'm really warming up to the closer from Vandy. I love power arms in bullpen spots. I could care less when it comes to starters, but for whatever reason I always like a reliever that can come in and throw gas. Cunnigham is another guy I flat love and the kid committed to SDSU sounds pretty nice too. I also noticed the Sox drafted a few guys with sinking action, a big plus in my book.

QUOTE(OilCan @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) From a shear numbers standpoint, he looks great. Why not??? Also, you can never, NEVER have too much good pitching....but I agree that a couple less pitchers and a couple more position players (1b, C especially) would've helped the Sox depth. Nevertheless, good draft indeed IMO> I figure you get more value for pitchers so why not draft pitcher heavy and then deal the excess for help at positions, plus the Sox obviously have a stockpile at the OF position right now and they have some young toolsy infielders already. I'm not saying the infielders are great, but I do love the pickup of Getz (flat can handle the bat...seems like he has the potential to be a really good 2 hole hitter). And catchers are a crapshoot, they'll probably draft another, but they have two very raw once as it is in Francisco and Lucy. Lucy should be back pretty quick, in fact I thought Randar said he was activated and while Lucy didn't impress offensively he's got better tools than any of today's picks (that were catchers). Clement is god awful when it comes to throwing and he isn't much better at blocking. He did make a lot of strides this year, but I have my doubts. I'm speaking pure physical ability though and he's definately more raw. The best "catcher" in the draft was Teagarden (or however the hell you spell it). The reason I say catcher is because I think defense when I think catcher and offense is a plus. Teagarden has some offensive tools but he's a stud defensively. Hell I like the catcher out of Illinois (robinson) more than I like Clement. Once again if were talking catcher.

QUOTE(OilCan @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) Question for the FS/Draft experts... Do you guys/gals expect any signing difficulties, especially with the Sox re-drafting Brooks and Getz? Thanks. I think both will be easy signs. In fact, my inclination would be that Brooks worked out a pre-draft deal. I'm working on getting some info on Brooks straight from the source, but I'm sure he's pretty busy. Getz is gonna sign and quick. In fact I'd bet the Sox have most of there guys signed really fast. Cunnigham could be a tough sign, cause he's only got room to grow, imo and may take a little more money, but at the same time the Sox drafted some guys that should be easy signs to cancel it out and than the kid Cortez (SP?) that is committed to SDSU could be a tougher sign, but I think they'll get it done. Sox are one of, if not the very best team, when it comes to knowing whether a guy wants to play pro's. They almost always sign their top 20 picks or so it seems. Every once in a while they'll take a flyer on a guy (Tony Richie, Donald Veal, Moviel, and Wes Hodges for example) but usually they are really good.

I've turned the corner and I'm loving this broadway selection. Plus change and curveball and he flat out hammers the zone with his fastball (inside and out) and its a pitch with good movement. He's gonna be a quick mover, although the Sox should be careful with his workload.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 06:08 PM) According to Duane Schaffer, Lance's fastball sits anywhere from 89-94 mph and usually settles at 91-92 most games. Looks like his fastball hasn't been given enough credit. I heard it has pretty good movement as well, which is a major plus. Whether you throw 88-89 or 93-94, what matters if you have movement or some damn good secondary pitches. The only time its less important is when you throw 95 plus and even then you better have another pitch.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 05:25 PM) wooa....be careful of your spelling.....you mean billy beane, the oakland GM. billy bean was a player for i believe the padres who came out and said he was gay a couple years ago Billy Beane was drafted by someone. He was a total phenom and I think your referring to Art Howe. Not sure, one of Benae/Howe was rumored to be gay (I think it was Howe). Personally I could give two cents. I never realized how much of a stud Beane was supposed to be. He was a major bust though but was supposed to have unbelievable talent.

Ya, he was supposed to be one of the better baseball prospects before giving up the game for football. Has a nice arm and obviously its low mileage. He's definately raw and thats good info on him wanting to play baseball (Sox usually do a good job drafting guys that want to sign).

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) I go to vandy and go to pretty much every game, so ive seen ryan rote (5th round) pitch dozens of times. you can see the BA scouting report before but ill tell you what i think.... in one of the best pitching staffs in the nation I would say in terms of pure stuff, rote had the second best raw stuff behind sues who went a few picks earlier, but has better stuff but less pitchability than lewis and mullins who went 102 and 105. Hes tall and has a pitchers frame. He can and should get stronger but throws plenty hard already. He came to Vandy 2 years ago and instantly inherited the closers role. His best assest is certainly his fastball which my buddy who works the gun at Vandy said he has hit 99. consistently he prolly sits low to mid 90s. hes not afraid to throw inside and hits his fair share of batters. he struggles with his command and in the one game he started this year, he threw well, but had numerous past balls. he lacks a true offspeed pitch but throws a hard tight slider that mostly moves away to righties. There is no doubt that he can dominate against hitters who cant catch up to heat. when he is on, he paints the fastball and uses his slider as his out pitch and can be untouchable, as he struck the side out to close the game quite a few times. he seemed to have a tendancy to get hit by the better hitting ball clubs, and when he got rattled he would walk batters, which lead to fastballs being laid out over the plate. In terms of his makeup he is a pretty heady player, one of the smartest off the field and in the classroom for sure. He had a reputation as being one of the hardest working guys out there and rarely did anytype of partying that would put him in bad situations. id say hes a risk but has great upside, especially as a reliever. If he wants to become a starter, he needs to develop a better offspeed pitch. in summation i would say hes a typical hard throwing righty who if he can harness his command has the ability to dominate. on another note I know he played with Paul Moviel back when he was at his JC so hoepfully thatll help his comfort level if he starts out at GF Awesome info.

Check out the thread above. Its long but we discuss most everyone on there.

OMG, f***ing huge move for this franchise. Fantastic

QUOTE(OilCan @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 03:56 PM) Question... Last year on MLB.Com, you could go to the Draft Tracker web page, and usually MLB would have a little "blurb" scouting report. You can filter your choices to position, state, last name letter, etc. What happened to it? I tried to look for it today, and all I could find was that Draft Caster. Am I looking in the wrong place??? Thanks..... It was there yesterday but then I couldn't see it today. Run a search on there site for the draft tracker. By the way, welcome aboard

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) Sounds good, you can help me make fun of Jason... Just kidding Jas. Haa, I'll be making fun of you all...we all know I'm the greatest person in the world. Watch the Sox will sell out because I'm in attendance those two days

Day 1 is over

Boz and I will be in town for the Dodgers/Sox series from June 17th to 19th and were figuring that Friday would be a good day for a Soxtalk Tailgate. There was one last year in August during the Boston series and it was a real blast, so if your attending the game hopefully you'll stop by. No idea on the details, but we can all figure this out. I don't know jack about the park, I just know I'll be there Just gauging interest so we can plan this shindig and get a list of who may be there. Confirmed Attendees: Chisoxfn aboz56 Steff tonyho7476 RockRaines rangercal Possible Attendees: Cerbaho-WG BobDylan Kalapse Soxnbears01 chimpy2121

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) BA shows him at Sierra Vista High School (Nevada) in that listing, his name is just mixed in with that other guy from another school. Alright cool. Thats the guy than.

I had seen that name too, but they announced it as Vernon and than I found a Vince reference. Makes sense though, only thing is its at a different school too. I'm guessing your right, they just announced the wrong info.

16. Alexander Woodson – LHP – Porterville College

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) 15. Vernon (Vince) Carter – 3B – Sierra Vista High School (Nevada) Who is he, I don't have a freaking clue.

15. Vernon (Vince) Carter – 3B – Sierra Vista High School (Nevada)

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) I know there are a few wood-bat JuCo conferences around the country, but I couldn't name them off the top of my head, that's for sure... Inexcuseable

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 02:56 PM) Yep, I definitely like that one on the surface. I'm not very familiar with the Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges, is it a wood-bat association? It must be. I was puzzled. At first glance I assumed he played in a wood bat summer leaugue but I guess thats no the case.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) I'm personally loving the Aaron Cunningham pick. Here is what BA says about the barely 19 year old. "Huge numbers of scouts came for Simons and Zink, and they stayed for OF Aaron Cunningham (5). The unheralded freshman tore up the Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges, hitting .489-10-56, earning MVP honors and nearly winning the league’s triple crown. Exceptionally strong at 6 feet and 190 pounds, Cunningham hit a number of long wood-bat home runs with one of the purest swings in the Northwest. His other tools, mainly his speed and arm strength, are slightly above-average." I'm diggin him as well.

Derek Rodriguez is a senior but pitched two seasons at University of Arizona (was part of the team that went to the college world series) and also pitched a season of junior college. He's 22. He was the closer for Arizona and than transferred to UNLV because he wanted to start. He features a fastball in the 91-93 MPH range and compliments it with a solid curve and changeup. He's garnished comparisons to Tim Hudson. Keeps the ball down as his fastball has good sink to it. I should add its considered a plus curve ball. "Knee Buckling according to his catcher".

Figured I'd make it easy for those just looking for a list. I'll be updating it and FS is already in the preliminary stages of writeups for all these guys. It will take us some time though, but I'll try and write up a minor highlight of the first day once its completed. 1. Lance Broadway – RHP – Texas Christian University (Winston-Salem) 3. Richard Brooks - RHP – East Carolina University 4. Christopher Getz - 2B/SS – University of Michigan (Great Falls) 5. Ryan Rote - RHP – Vanderbilt (Great Falls) 6. Aaron Cunningham – OF – Everett Community College (WA) 7. Daniel Cortes – RHP – Garey High School (CA) 8. Clayton Richard – LHP – University of Michigan (Great Falls) 9. Joseph Winn – RHP – Delgado College (LA) 10. Israel Chirino – LHP – University of Miami (Great Falls) 11. Jason Rice – RHP – Chaffey College (CA) 12. Sheldon Catchot – LHP – Delgado College (LA) 13. Yudelmis Hernandez – 1B – G Holmes Braddock HS (FL) 14. Derek Rodriguez – RHP – UNLV 15. Vernon (Vince) Carter – 3B – Sierra Vista HS (NV) 16. Alexander Woodson – LHP – Porterville College (CA) 17. Enrique Garcia – RHP – Potomac State CC (WV) 18. Timothy Sabo – RHP – Setan Hall University 19. Jordan Danks - OF - Round Rock HS (TX) 20. Joshua Morgan - OF - South Alabama 21. Raleigh Evans - LHP - Lake City CC (FL) 22. Christian Marrero - OF - Broward CC (FL) 23. Robert La Fromboise - LHP - Rio Hondo College (CA) 24. Tyler Wright - CF - Charlotte HS (FL) 25. Andrew Beatty - LHP - West Aurora HS (IL) 26. Anthony Carter - RHP - Georgia Perimeter Coll. 27. Danny Jordan - C - Broward CC (FL) 28. Justin Sincock - RHP - Golden West College (CA) 29. Aljay Davis - 2B - Northeastern OK A&M CC 30. Brad Langston - RHP - Cleveland State CC 31. Lucas Luetge - LHP - Bellville HS (TX) 32. Matthew Headley - LHP - San Jacinto Coll. North (TX) 33. Scott Savastano - SS - Plymouth-North-South HS (MA) 34. Timothy Day - RHP - Michigan State 35. Marcos Causey - OF - South Florida CC 36. Nate Templeton - RHP - Valley HS (IA) 37. Brian Flores - LHP - New Mexico JC 38. Enrique Escolano - RHP - Kell HS (GA) 39. Jovan Rosa - SS - East Hartford HS (CT) 40. Rafael Vera - 2B - Sarasota HS (FL) 41. Kristopher Welker - C - Univ. of Iowa (Bristol) 42. Michael Kelly - LHP - Lafayette HS (FL) 43. Michael Dunn - LHP - Mississippi State 44. Drew George - SS - Lower Columbia College (WA) 45. Cody Wright - LHP - No School (UT) 46. Brendon O'Donnell - CF - Santa Barbara CC 47. John Wolff - 2B - Harvard 48. Chris Cassidy - LHP - Claremont HS (CA) 49. Steven Squires - RHP - Wayne St. U 50. Kyle Landers - LHP - Nobelsville HS (IN) Breakdown by Position RHP: 16 LHP: 15 C: 2 1B: 1 2B: 4 SS: 3 3B: 1 OF: 7 By School 4 Year: 14 JUCO: 20 HS: 14 No school: 1