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QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) I still love Gammons just for the fact that he always confesses his LOVE for Carson Fullmer. He absolutely loves everything about the kid. I love Gammons and Kurjikian. They seem like good dudes who love absolutely everything about the game of baseball and who love everything that they do.

Jeremy, I am so so sorry. I can't even comprehend what you, your wife, family, and Josiah are going through, just know that we are all here for you and if there is anything at all I can do, please don't hesitate to ask.

Knightni's (Jeremy) son was delivered 14 weeks early on July 1st of this year. His son has been in the NICU lab since he was born and has been battling various medical issues and infections related to being born prematurely. Yesterday, their son was airlifted to a children's hospital in Indianapolis to see a special surgeon to see if they can help with stomach and intestinal issues their son is having and this afternoon, their son will be undergoing exploratory surgery. Jeremy, I want you to know that all of Soxtalk is thinking of little Josiah and your family and that you are all in our prayers and we are here for you. Please send positive thoughts, prayers, and happy wishes Josiah's way!!! If you would like to help financially, Jeremy has established a gofundme page to help assist with their sons medical costs, many of which will not be covered by insurance.

While I think he is making a stink out of nothing, I understand his stance from the perspective, he thinks he will play worse with the equipment the Sox are providing.

What is this about Hahn at Harvard law?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:14 AM) This is a good post. Yes it is and it is also why I'm trading Sale before I trade Q because the reality is teams are going to give up a hell of a lot more for Sale than they will Q, imo.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) It's such that Betts, Moancada, Benintendi and Swihart for Sale/Robertson no longer seems crazy. I'd make that trade but I don't know that Boston would (at least in-season).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 07:06 AM) Quintana just doesn't get the same respect around the league. Not even close. I don't know if it is because he doesn't have the same raw stuff or what, but he is never thought of as an elite pitcher, even when he numbers say otherwise. Wins...he doesn't get wins. If he had won 18 to 20 games a few times in a row, there would be a different "ora" about him. Or if he was doing it on a team where you saw him dominate in the post-season, etc.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) 3 episodes in and "Stranger Things" is rad. Finished and damn, that maybe up there with my best shows of 2016. Yeah - Really enjoyed it. Probably because of the nostaligia in it that somehow brought me back to my youth. So many random references / interplay with adventure type movies I loved as a kid.

So I haven't really said much on this, but James Shields commented yesterday I guess about Sale and basically said from the time he's been around him, he's been one of the best clubhouse / lockeroom guys he's ever been around. Given Shields overall sterling reputation (from a lockeroom) perspective, I'd take it as a plus. Obviously in the heat of the moment, he did something he shouldn't have done, but Sale had complained multiple times about the jerseys (last year and again in spring training when they had him try it on). He still should have worn them and not did what he did in the end, but it was Hayes who basically mentioned, people think Sale is this lockeroom cancer, when in fact, it is really the opposite.

Would love to know what really happened and what drove this. Can't just be him deciding randomly to cut up the uni's. Clearly more to this, but why the hell are people leaking this crap anyway. Keep it in the clubhouse.

That said, would take a massive offer and even then as Dave Hayes reported, he puts the odds at .01% that the Sox move him. Previous reports from a day ago indicating Sox turned down an absolute haul, but as Sox fans, we know an absurd haul is the starting point (not an absolute haul). Dodgers and Rangers reportedly two teams that have showed interest, however, we could presume that given Dombrowski's ability to land big names, there has to be the possibility that the Red Sox would be discussing Sale as well.

Needs a separate thread (vs. being burried in existing massive catch-all thread). Dodgers clearly have a lot of potential prospects and even some major league pieces they could offer (you'd have to assume that the starting price tag would be Urias plus one of their young, but streaky outfielders, along with at least one frontline prospect.

This needs to be in seperate threads. What do we realistically think the return could potentially be and any other thoughts on teams in contention who might be in the market for a closer?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) I agree with this. It's pretty easy to expect less of a return on Quintana. It's hard to imagine a team offering what it would take to get them Sale, plus the team and fanbase are so invested in him. They should be just as invested in Quintana, or at least pretty close, but aren't. It would be interesting hearing the offers. I'd imagine there is a lot bigger difference in the offers than there is in performance. Which is why I have outlined why I think I'd move Sale over Q (not to mention we have an extra year with Q vs. Sale).

Thread for miscellaneous / non White Sox related trade rumors.

Forum for all relevant rumors, etc.

Are there teams who need catching help? I could see a contender looking at either of our catchers and it making sense for us to move them. Not saying we get much, but we might get a AA relief arm who could be a quality reliever. Avila has a 1 WAR in limited playing time (and a great OBP) so I presume there would be some value there. Navarro is tougher, but you could still maybe take a flyer on a lower level guy with a big arm or something.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) Coach K has been in awe with some quotes talking about how strong Buckets is. Evidently him and Kyrie have been very close and he's just been destroying Kryie in some one-on-one stuff too. I love Butler.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) People aren't going to be able to deal with a full rebuild. Just look at the facts. 2014 was a rebuilding season, how many people complained about Konerko taking the 25th spot and ruining "roster construction"? They weren't going to win, I thought people didn't care. And many who have said this season is over are complaining Jacob Turner is starting tonight. That's what you get in a rebuild. Guys like Jacob Turner starting, for years. Reality is, I don't think the Sox are going to do that, but if they are going to try and move some guys, I think you have to move people like Robertson and still need to move one of your pitchers, cause somehow, you got to start multiplying prospects in the equation who might pan out (they all might bust too).

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) I think you are pretty spot on here, especially if you've been reading between the lines of everything that has been said over the last 24-48 hrs. A lot of reassurances Sale isn't going anywhere, but you haven't really heard a thing about Q. I think Robertson and Duke leaving are no brainers, you have no use for them and can get valuable pieces back. My thoughts are if you do that, I think you have to consider Frazier as a possibility as well. Of course I'm a huge Saladino fan and want to just get him a ton of at bats.

Oh how I miss Rose and his comments. Superteam...LMAO.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) This is the camp I am in. Restock the larder with Sale (and others) and build the staff around Q. I am in the same boat.

Interesting to note that Hahn flat out said they aren't in the market to buy any rental players. That is much different from a year ago where we were all confused whether we would buy or sell. The overall tone seems much different and you wonder if there has been on voice who has been pushing for a different path in these meetings who might be getting more of that voice?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 11:27 AM) Pirates going after Q is my dark horse team. Have some great prospect depth, headed by nice trade chips in Glasnow and Bell. Q or Sale could be legit options for Pirates. Not often aces who have great contracts are on the market. The beauty of Sale & Q is that they might actually be more valuable to smaller market clubs who have the prospects, than say the larger market clubs who might not get as big of a "benefit" from the "discounted / surplus" contract that the players have. I.e., with the Dodgers and their payroll, the benefits of a cheap ace like Sale are not near as critical as to a team like the Pirates, etc. That isn't to say the value doesn't exist, I just think the overall benefit is greater for teams who can't hand out the major FA contracts.