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QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:29 PM) He threw a wrench at her too? Dear god. Real f***ing pathetic. Make light / joke at the domestic violence issue.

Chapman & Puig pose two significant tests of MLB's domestic violence policy. I would think Chapman is going to get hit with a heavy suspension (presuming their is substance to these claims). What sort of flexibility do they have to issue this thing? Firing bullets...attempted murder, etc? He might be out of baseball (and if he really did this stuff...fine by me).

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:09 PM) Yep, Sox don't have the pieces they would want (since Rodon is going nowhere). Lawrie seems to be 100 times more likely. I don't think Lawrie, Upton is enough to make us probable contenders. Could we, sure, but I'd think if we are going to make those moves, we'd need another move to go with it (to realistically contend). And I just don't like the idea of half passing things. Either we do something where we feel it is more than probable we make the playoffs or we do something to set us up for the future. The half cocked schtick isn't what I'd recommend. That said, you could do Lawrie, Upton, +.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:58 PM) I'd prefer CarGO over Frazier as he has a longer history of doing it. If you got him and one of Heyward, Cespedes or Upton. I'd feel way more confident. CarGo costs a lot more money though (plus prospects) and means we still have significant voids in the infield. In the OF we can leverage Trayce off the bench / start him a bit (if his bat plays), thus allowing Melky to DH more (and stay fresh...plus just minimize our defensive downside). Frazier is a huge upgrade at 3B, imo. I don't know enough about Frazier as I don't watch the reds much but his stats have been very very solid past few years (the type of solid that rarely exists in baseball). I realize he isn't sexy, but at that position, what he's doing in the non-steroid era is pretty good. My only issue is we'd be a little right handed heavy in the middle of the order, but at least between Upton / Frazier / Abreu you have two .350+ OBP guys and a .320+ OBP guy and career OPS of .784, .825, and .904. My only real knock on Frazier (unless he has an injury history I'm not sure of) is the fact that he's getting close to the wrong side of 30 (but you still have him for another year, right) and that his OBP is lower than you'd like. That said, you'd be adding two 30 HR guys to a lineup.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:56 PM) Hate to be a fuddy duddy, but no. Team has to shore up its defense and bullpen and fundamentals to compete in the Central. I don't believe under Robin the team is capable of being strong fundamentally. And Hahn doesn't appear to be building around defense. Baserunning and baseball-type instinct plays are also sub-par. I do think we have a darn good starting rotation, but just too many holes even with those 2 additions. Frazier and Upton WOULD excite me as far as returning to getting some power back in the Cell. But the Sox right now have a major problem in building a team that can compete playing a majority of games in the Central. Frazier and Upton along with Abreu might get us back on track to a lift and pull title type team. I'm not saying it's impossible. I will say we've had BAD LUCK with NL players and they both might suck all season til they get adjusted. Technically Frazier and Upton both would be defensive upgrades. I already think we significantly upgraded catcher (I think that platoon will be really solid..well above league average catcher production). If you could get upgraded performance out of 3B and RF that would be pretty significant because than you are talking 3 positions. I don't see a lot of production player regression, but do see some potential for actual progression (2B / Melky / LaRoche).

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) I hope you're right. Just how bad was that injury? I don't remember much talk of his being hurt. But then, I missed a lot of game broadcasts. The only injury I remember was the knee problem, which was in September, as I recall. He was awful all year, before that. He had a hand / hammate injury, if I recall. He never complained about it, but its the type of injury that could really drain / suck the power out of your swing, imo. And its the type of injury that I'd think you couldn't play through (nor would it heal without significant rest).

By contend, I'll say we are more likely than not to be in the race by the final week of the season.

I was thinking about our chances and names connected and if the Sox were going to go for it, I'd think this is the path they'd be headed. They'd fill two major voids and I think could fit this within payroll. Sox have enough prospects to get this done without using a major league piece (although would potentially be giving up Anderson + a top young pitcher). Lets also assume we keep Alexei or sign an equivalent at SS. I'd probably argue that is a team that could absolutely contend (as I'd expect rebounds from Melky and LaRoche).

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) I don't like this trade for the simple fact that you're going to have to do something again next year. I think they're better off sacking up and making a trade for Q, Sale or Fernandez. Trade Pederson and/or Puig and/or Urias if that's what you need to do. There's still OF talent out there for you too in Heyward, Cespedes, Upton, and Gordon. Yeah - I didn't get this deal from the Dodgers perspective that much. Than again, I've shook my head at a lot of what Friedman & Company did. Ned Coletti and Logan White don't get enough credit for how they truly built the Dodgers (including a hell of a farm system).

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) I could live with La Roche batting 6TH, if he shows signs of improvement, over last season, which I doubt, given that he has turned 36, already. At any rate, I don't consider 6TH, the "heart" of the order. I would bank of LaRoche being closer to his career averages than last year's production. I'd bet the same thing from Melky as well. Would bet more on Melky, but LaRoche is going to be a much better player next year, imo (I think that injury and just the whole mental impacts of the struggles really nailed his season). That or he'll be cut by May because it will be extremely evident that he's no longer capable of playing in the majors (and fell off a cliff due to age).

They absolutely can go for it, they just have to be prepared to spend the money. That is what it comes down to. I don't want to suffer through years of rebuilding. It all depends on what JR and company are willing to do. However, they have to be careful and be prepared to deal with the consequences of missing the boat as it could backfire and set the franchise farther back (that said, if Q and Sale stay healthy it at least ensures you have two healthy assets to dangle if you ultimately do need to hit the restart switch). The toughest thing about your top chips being your pitchers is that they are far more likely to get injured.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) No, but there's no shortage of complaining over "Happy Holidays". "Merry Christmas" is the politically correct phrase to use. Wait, people get pissed over happy holidays? Or is this more the christmas people getting mad that they can't say Merry Christmas? Life it too short, I just don't care. Family I married into is buddhist, my family is methodist. My wife's "Christmas" is more traditional than my Christmas. Speaking of Christmas, I want some prime f***ing rib. I keep wanting to push my family (probably cause its a free meal I don't have to cook) to ditch the turkey for Thanksgiving and go with Steak too. I eat turkey sandwiches way too much and I can only eat dark meat turkey and even than its usually disappointing in the grand scheme of things. So many other meats are tastier to celebrate arounda holiday.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 18m18 minutes ago Don't bet on Sale or Quintana trade: 'Our goal to build around them and celebrate a championship with them on White Sox roster,' Hahn said. I assume this could go here. And I agree Yep...that post fits and if a seperate discussion spurs from it, then we as mods/admins can pull it out into a separate thread.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 04:13 PM) I wanna know what the difference in money is going to be between Upton and Heyward. If you're going to after Upton, might as well pay a little more Heyward with opt outs every year after year 4 or 5 of the deal. I've been pushing that on here for a while. I just keep assuming the difference between Heyward and Upton is going to be significant. I also figure Cespedes is going to get a contract based upon six months of production, which is tough to gel. Funny thing is, prior to going to the Mets, I thought he'd be a potential value "big contract" but then he blew up and I expect the opposite to happen. Nice thing about Jason and Justin is their relative ages.

White apparently getting close to being able to play. Aaron Leming ‏@AaronLemingNFL · 48m48 minutes ago Kevin White's rehab progress has been downplayed since day 1. From what I've been told over the past few weeks, he's "close". #Bears I wouldn't expect Kevin White to play Sunday vs the #Redskins but from what I've been told, he could be good to play vs #Vikings. #Bears

Yea or Nay?

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https://twitter.com/BNightengale/sta...86632425463809 I wouldn't mind Gordon, depending on how many years he'd get. That said, I presume Royals will do what they can to match. I'm guessing Gordon gets less years / dollars than the other big OF free agents. He's coming off a down year, but still a very good year. OF all the names I've heard, given dollars getting thrown around, it would seem Upton / Gordon might be the best value props of the big name outfielders. Cespedes is going to get paid given his performance last year (and he's older with his own issues) and Heyward probably gets absurd money given his age and ultimate WAR production, etc.

How much / what will the difference in cost / years be between Gordon and Upton? Is Upton going to get more money and more years while Gordon provides actual better production (kind of like he has past few years)? I presume Royals are going to ensure they won't be beat.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) Rickslat is just a troll. See my post from last year's Samardzija rumors ^ Weren't the Sox extremely close to acquiring Upton last off-season? So couldn't he have been right on Shark and wrong on Upton previously? Kenny was supposedly pretty ticked we didn't end up with Upton last off-season. I presume Anderson would have been a part of that deal with the Braves.

Could be more that he's been told he will get moved in next day or two (not yet specific team)? Would seem to be a decent target (if Sox can handle his craziness). Far more talented than anyone we have had at 3B in a long long time. How does he profile defensively? Seems like a lot of errors, but how does he profile from an advanced scouting perspective? Is their defensive upside? Prefer this route to Asdrubal from a talent perspective, that said, the emotional side of Lawrie might make a potential Lawrie move impossible.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Hear hear! It's why I'm softening re: a potential (but still probably unlikely) Upton signing. Upton clearly fills a need and should be good for at least a few more years. As long as Sox can deal with the payroll I don't have an issue with it.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) I stopped watching Homeland after season 2, is it worth picking up again? I didn't tune into season 3 because I heard bad things. I have enjoyed most all of homeland's seasons, first season was unbelievably awesome but this season has been the best overall. Mainly because they got rid of the stuff that drove my nuts (by and large)...which ie., was manic carrie.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) Those stories have to be BS. I bought two tickets in reserved seating in a perfect spot on Friday. It must be in areas with fewer theaters or something. I could maybe see it in cases where someone wants to see it at some specific huge theatre with the best audio capabilities, etc (say a specific Imax theatre) or just some really well known historical theatre. I'm taking my department to see it for our christmas party (followed by lunch). We are seeing @ 9 AM on opening day than lunch and than I'm letting them go home.