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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) How much are you willing to pay for Soto? Based on both sites he's been worth about 1.2 WAR this season - that means he's been worth >$5 million on a 1 year deal. Would you be willing to pay that for next year? If you offer Arbitration to Flowers he's probably about $4 million, even if Soto were to come at a discount is this the catching rotation you'd pay $8 million+ for? I would bet that Soto does not get $5M per year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Who needs a running back? The Colts need to panic and ignore their line and instead trade another high pick for a running back. What about Dallas? They could use a better RB and Forte would also help make things easier on Weeden. I just think at this point, if we don't plan on keeping Forte after this year, we might as well move him for a pick. Now if we plan on keeping him, that is another story. What would we be able to get? 3rd rounder?

Who would trade for Forte?

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 09:05 AM) My point - which clearly wasn't articulated well - was "investor relied on prior performance of company" does not, in all cases, shield that investor from liability (see Ponzi schemes). I'm not saying that VW shareholders would or even could have gains clawed back. Poorly worded on my part. I never was arguing about shielding or not. I was arguing that it is amazing how everyone jumps to the money vs. putting the responsible people behind bars. You have a swift hand in providing justice without punishing all of the shareholders for those consequences (you know...those investors who lose retirement dollars, etc). Amazing how company execs jump to pay the fine, which yes, impacts the company, but doesn't nearly impact their jobs as much as it impacts all of the investors account balances. Send those who conspired and put them behind bars and that is a different story. Key being evidence exists for those at the top that you charge (direct evidence that they were aware).

I am sorry...it has to be one of the Dodgers. Greinke is putting up an unheard of ERA. Advanced stats be damned, he is minimizing actual runs at an insane clip. If you want to go more sabr, then Kershaw is the beast he always is. Hands down it should be one of those two.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 06:26 AM) Yeah, I wasn't trying to put blame on the shareholders, but their gains are still not legitimate. VW the company committed international regulatory fraud, and part of their stock's value was based on that deception. As far as who owns VW, there was actually a weird story several years back where Porsche essentially became a hedge fund company that also made cars, made a bunch of aggressive moves to try and gain control of VW, had it all blow up and their face and were then taken over by VW. The two companies are linked back to their founders, the Porsche and Piech families. A German state/province actually owns 20% of VW, Porsche's holding company owns 50%, Qatar owns 17% and I think the rest is publicly owned. The shareholders invested in a company based upon the information they were aware of. They invested based upon historical performance and historical gains and future outlook...having no idea that the company was tainted.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 08:01 PM) Excellent post. I don't think I focus on EVERY negative out there, BTW. I'm not that defeatest. Bomber with a nice bombshell. Good post. You can't deny, Bomber is dominating this thread. Nice Bomber follow up post. Greg - I think it was more me pointing out that you tend to focus on a lot of the stories the media picks up, thinking things are far worse then they actually are, because every little thing gets covered today vs. 20 years ago. I also give you mad props for having two daughters in med school (or on their way to med school). That in and of itself is awesome and while it is a testament to them, I also think it is a testament to you and your wife. But alas, I am an optimist, I believe in good and focus on the positives. Life is too short to worry about all the negatives.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) Agreed. However it does give teams the impression that if they can get Shark away from the clown college known as the White Sox, he could turn it around. The talent obviously is there. Mark I don't think the White Sox pitching staff is widely regarded as a clown college. In fact, the White Sox have a very positive reputation around baseball in working with and getting the most of out their pitchers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) Then let's make a world where I can't make that remark. You are no different then Greg. Just like Greg, you focus on every negative out their (in his case...it is violence...in your case it is race). Reality is significant progress has been made in terms of race / sexual discrimination. Is it perfect, no, but we are light-years ahead of where we were previously. Is it perfect, no, and you'll tell me how my argument about what I do doesn't matter, but if everyone treated everyone equally it would matter. I'm married to a minority and my kids are minorities and my daughter is a female and minority, so double minority. I can tell you that I will raise my kids to believe they can do anything. I will not ingrane one iota of because you are a women X or you are not white then this is going to happen. Even if it means they have to drive for more, my kids are going to be raised being role modeled by parents who are accepting and they will have that mentality. Could someone take issue and still not give them that chance in the future, sure, but If that is the case, I want them to use it as extra motivation to work harder because they can. You can say I live in a world of lala land but that is my mindset. I'd rather people spend time thinking they can vs. they can't and why not me vs. it can't be me.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) Wow. That sucks. I would be fuming (ok, the pun was kind of intended). Yeah that is awful. I also think the fact that you have the company fined vs. people who conspired put behind bars, is also awful. Fining the Company doesn't hurt the execs, it hurts all the shareholders who lose their money because of the inethical actions of a few.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) I think it's a truly brilliant strategy on his family's part. I mean, think about it. Nothing bad ever happens to people of minority groups when they're in the hands of the police and I defy anyone to provide any recent examples to the contrary. Such a freaking terrible post. This post is right up their with this whole thread.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 03:32 PM) Because they are the Raiders, where have been the last 7 years or so? Yeah...but they actually are a decent team.

Wow...this is going to be interesting. Claussen against the Legion of Boom.

Jeb Kasich Rubio

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Sep 20, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) One good coaching hire since 1984: Carroll. Enough is enough with Haden Just so you know, when they hired Carroll...the fan base was beyond livid at how awful a move it was.

Is Cutler's hammy injury believed to be serious or will he be playing next week?

http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/john-fox-m...-who-want-do-it Fox is a breath of fresh air. On a sidenote, how is a Raiders team that is 1-1, have the 2nd highest odds to be the #1 pick? Did I miss something?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 20, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) No sacks in first 2 games................WOW People got unrealistically optimistic. We have absolute s*** in the secondary (although Maybe Amos turns into something) and our best LB was underrated a year ago along with a former bust in Shea. Its going to be a really long year defensively and we are going to lose a lot of games. That said, hopefully some picks from this year pan out and we can hit on a some underrated / unknown guys who can be serviceable. We have zero playmakers on defense.

Just goes to show you how bad we are without Jay. I'm curious what the tape indicates on that pick. People covering Bears were indicating Bennett was supposed to stop and the pick was on Marty. Looked like Marty was settling in and then he all of a sudden took off on a curl (not sure what the route was). Either way, if we have learned one thing this week...our secondary f***ing blows (and I am not learning that this week...I've been saying it all along) and Claussen is terrible. Either way, this year is all about getting the top pick and Connor Cook.

I hope none of you were those pathetic losers that I see on the front page of the trib's website cheering / defending Kane and his right to be at practice. I understand he has the right, but its pathetic for you go to waste your pathetic lifes to cheer on a guys who may have done something horrible. I'm not saying everyone should have been their to boo him, but s***, I'd understand that more than these losers. Like I said, he has the right to practice, but the need to go cheer on his right to be their is just pathetic.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:34 PM) I can't really picture a scenario where a Republican wins anytime soon. They are a rotten mess as if you look at the debates it's worse than high school. Don't some of the national polls show that the republicans would win (in a hypothetical vote vs. Madam Clinton)? Also, the senate and house have a republican majority and the republicans cleaned up during the last mid-year election. I realize you might have the opinion that the repubs are disorganized and horrible (and you disagree with their policy / approach) but the recent voting track record might disagree with that. Bottom line, I expect this to be an extremely close election and any prediction that the other party has no chance is just crazy talk at this point. If Trump (who I hate more then any candidate) is able to get this much attention (along with other outsiders like Carson & Carly) and traction, it should tell everyone (Repub / Dem) about how sick and f***ing tired we are about what is going on in Washington.

I don't see the downside of giving him the QO and he accepts. Shark could be bad, but odds are he's going to be much closer to the guy he was vs. 2015. He's also going to be insanely motivated (of course he was probably already insanely motivated this year) but I think even more so. You get him for the year and then deal him at the deadline (if you aren't in contention). If you contend, great, you got him for another year and can still attach a QO offer after this season and get your draft pick compensation. And if he takes the QO and totally sucks, well, that isn't going to impact your long-term strategy anyway.

And Greg...how do you like Donald just lying to the entire audience (and not some little white lie or minor mistake, but a big f*** you kind of lie). Guy is a f***wad. He could care less about anyone but himself. Trump is by definition a megalomaniac. But in honor of fair and balance, I will give Trump credit for saying he would waive the right to have social security and I do agree with him that the breaks around hedge funds are a joke (Bush and a few others also agree).

One other sidebar, but a lot of these candidates need to go away. I am looking at you Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and to be frank Chris Christie. The longer all of these candidates stay, the more fragmented the republican base is and the more likely it is Trump wins the primaries. The more the other candidates go away and I think the more that vote goes to candidates not named Donald Trump. You started to see it a bit when Walker and Christie came to defense of Bush...but If we are going to not have Trump win this thing (and as a republican I don't even want to imagine that clown winning...I think I'd rather be ran by a socialist like Bernie then a clown like Trump), the other candidates are going to have to get in cahoots and push up the few non Trump candidates. That might mean you push Carson up as well (as I think he'll get some of that vote) but I still don't buy into Trump getting a lot more of the vote as others exit (but then again...I never thought he'd be where he is today, so what do I know).

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) Forgot to say it, but I agree on the bolded. I was initially happy when they said they were going for more interplay - and they did get that - but they set those up mostly as just "X said this, how did that make you feel?" which is weak sauce. It isn't often I complement Fox (Faux) News, but they did far better with their debate. It appeared that the moderators goal was to get candidates to bicker with each other vs. talk strategy. It was deplorable and awful, but I expect nothing less out of CNN. They are an awful news station. Fox has its own issues, although I do enjoy Kelly & O'Reilly (but can't stand Hannidy). With Fox, you know you'll get some slanted news, but CNN's coverage over the last 10 years has gone to the tubes. It is a news stations and half the time I go to see what is on, I get some non news related television. If I want to watch news in a live feed, I'll go to BBCNews.