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QUOTE (whitesoxmanager @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) also if JP isnt going to be a factor until Sept then how many games is he possibly going pitch the rest of the season....max 6? that is the same number of games from now until then that we are going to be starting who in Richards place? to me it is a wash. + peavy isnt big game pitcher. he depends on movement. imo he isnt overpowering anymore. didnt pitch well in bad weather vs. zambrano earlier in year. do you think it will be nice weather in october? i hope i am proven wrong. i will be the first to point out to you fools when he gets lit up by the AL. i was happy the trade didnt occur before and obviously i am a little sour now. Peavy is a strikeout-machine. I don't know how you can say he's not a strikeout pitcher.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) The other thing is, KW has never been burned trading for aces, even like in David Wells case when it didn't work out. Sirotka never pitched again. Simmons was so bad in Toronto the Sox actually re-signed him and then released him and Kevin Bierne was nothing. So it was nothing for nothing. Its kind of funny, Gary Glover ended up being the best piece of that deal (at least I thought he was a part of that deal) but maybe he was a part of a different trade.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 04:38 PM) What is the source on that? Just to confirm what I thought since KW did say today it was the exact same deal. I can't name the source but I can tell you that Hudson was told that he was traded.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) Just had an idea about this... Could it have been Hudson was in the last deal but now to maintain his value Kenny portrays him as an "untouchable" and having offered him up previously could diminish that value. Hudson was a part of the previous deal. It sounded like the old deal was Hudson, Broadway, Richard, and Poreda. This is a similar package except that Broadway was replaced with Russell and Hudson was replaced with Carter.

Wow, this is the quietest couple hours leading up to the deadline that I can ever remember.

Technically no one knows what comp level he will be.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:59 AM) Is Ricciardi on drugs? Well if you ask for 6, that doesn't mean you'll get 6. Plus I personally don't think the Dodgers farm system is what it once was, but they do still have some talent. I wouldn't trade the Sox top 6 for Halladay. Danks, Vicideo, Mitchell (even though he can't be dealt), Hudson, Flowers, and Poreda or Carter No thank you.

The Jays have apparently asked the Dodgers for there top 6 prospects.

That is a big time pick-up for the Tigers. There rotation, aside from the top two starters was faltering and I really felt that the Sox or Twins were going to pass them. Washburn, as much as I think he's a mediocre starter, has been very good this year and will be really nice to put into the Tiger rotation. Plus, his fly ball stuff should translate well in Comerica (just as it did in Safeco).

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 10:06 PM) Seems like it was a precautionary if anything. I love the fact opposing hitters are batting .193 against him. Is he the best pitching prospect we've had since Kris Honel (before his arm fell off)? Also, nice to see Viciedo tearing the cover off of the ball. Brandon McCarthy was 10 times the pitching prospect Honel was.

QUOTE (tommy @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 07:37 PM) I'm kind of asking out of left field but I was at work all day without any news source, and I got a twitter msg from Stone that said: "I wonder if kenny williams will hold a press conference to deny the floyd, richard, ramirez, and flowers for halliday." Was there an early rumor floating around? That would be one of the worst trades in the history of baseball.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 07:21 PM) If the Sox traded for Halladay without giving up Floyd or Danks, their rotation would be at the top, if not at the top, of the AL. I don't want the Sox to sell or buy. Yes, with Halladay they are a much better team, but at what cost? Kenny has moved the team into a transitional mode, with several younger players (Beckham, Ramirez, Getz, Quentin, Denks, Floyd) part of a new core, and others hopefully on the way. As exciting as it would be to acquire Halladay, I don't think the Sox are guaranteed the division, given their upcoming schedule, poor defense and inconsistent offense. I'd be much more in favor of such a move if I thought the Sox were better than average right now. While they give up RIchard/Poreda/Ramirez, I counter and say the Sox still have Viciedo for 3B, Beckham for SS, Danks and Mitchell for the OF, a young Quentin still in the OF, and Hudson/Carter as young pitchers. Plus with those 4, I could make a legit case of Hudson opening the season in your rotation as the Sox should be able to deal with the growing pains from there 5th starter. And of course Tyler Flowers for catcher.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 07:18 PM) Counterpoint: this mini skid is coming, once again from the bats. The pitching hasn't been the problem aside from the closer. Adding a starting pitcher doesn't make the bats wake up unless it's Micah Owings. Adding a starting pitcher doesn't get Jenks back in a groove. You talk about the bats, but the Sox lost three seperate games because of there pen (one of them was the Drays game) but two Tiger games were lost because of the pen. One of the Twins games was arguably lost on poor defense (Buehrle's game). So while the offense wasn't great I still say the Sox should have won a fewm ore games and had they done so we'd actually be talking about the 1st place Sox. My what a fine line there is between winning and losing.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 07:44 PM) Where would we be in the standings? Yes it's an annoying thread, but we dont have enough of that type lately. For all we know he'd be back down in the minors after having a terrible start. The time in the minors was beneficial to Beckham. I'm glad the SOx did things the way they did. Hell, even than people were upset thinking the Sox had pushed him too fast.

QUOTE (wilmot825 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:48 PM) Kidney Stones......so thats y hes been pitching like s*** It was a recent issue, unrelated to his pitching struggles.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 06:31 PM) A .500 team should trade away it's farm system because it needs a spark? Ridiculous, and stupid, logic. Name one team with a better front four than Halladay, Buehrle, Danks, Floyd. I don't care what the Sox record is, if you make the post-season you can contend for a title. I take it you want the club to sell or don't think the Sox have what it takes? Up until this mini skid the Sox have played pretty darn solid baseball the past 5-6 weeks.

Lilli didn't get called up right?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 04:58 PM) Fields' ultimate potential is a lot higher then that of Felix Pie. Although they are radically different players. When both were at there prime prospect status Pie was widely considered the better prospect.

He has been called and they are going to have him ready in case, but no roster moves have been made. I wonder who the Sox would move? They really don't have anyone, position wise, that they could send down right now, unless they want to expose Wise (and we have to think that they don't).

Goldstein was twittering that Jackson was in it. Not the Cubs 1st round pick from this year.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) Apparently that word is in his dictionary but not "their." Did the Jays already said they won't grant a window for discussion of an extension? Besides, the trade deadline is less than 24 hours away so what good would a 72 hour negotiation be? No team has asked for one yet and the Jays have made no comments on it.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:19 PM) Of course. I'll be back in a bit so you can start it if you want, otherwise I will. Ya, lets wait till we get a nice tidbit and than we'll get it up. Worse case if you don't beat me to it, I'll get it up tonight but not until late cause I won't be around after 7 my time until about 10:30 (date night).

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:18 PM) Vaginitis is a south park reference. Overexaggerated might be the wrong way to describe. It seems to me he just doesn't have a high pain tolerance. Lets make things clear. The only person that can judge someones pain tolerance is themselves. I don't recall Alexei missing a ton of games due to injuries in his short career so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and your comments were absolutely ridiculous.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) Gage, what do you think about a thread on SoxNet that we continuously update through tonight and tomorrow regarding Sox rumors? I think that is a great idea. But if stuff gets bigger it might need to get split into it's own story, so to speak.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Hmm interesting point you bring up. If he exercises that clause and demands his trade or he becomes a FA immediately like Javy did with Zona. Do we still have the option of offering Arbitration and getting compensation picks or no? ANyone have that answer? Had the Dbacks not requested his trade than he would have became a free agent. But Halladay wouldn't just be able to become a FA at seasons end.