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White Sox Take Advantage of MLB Market By Steve Harnden The news of the White Sox being rewarded the waiver claim of two-time All-Star Alex Rios on Monday afternoon came to no surprise to those following the news around internet sports sites such as ESPN and Soxtalk. However, this does not lessen the effect of such an unprecedented talent being given away during the prime of his career on the mindset of the economic stability, or rather, instability of Major League Baseball....More at the Link

I'll be at the Steelers game.

QUOTE (wilmot825 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 09:54 PM) Can I have 2 minutes back in my life for reading this story...I now feel dumber for being subjected to that. Enjoy the suspension. And to all members, get the hint, posts like the above do nothing to add to the discussions or conversation and you will be suspended or banned.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:23 PM) No. It does buy him an extra year to develop though. It also allows the Sox to stick Danks in RF if they wanted to and ease him into things too. I can't see the Sox trading any of there young players for high contract guys. If anything I see them making prospect for prospect trades or something along those lines (basically to fit needs). And Danks is still the only near ready OF prospect the club has.

QUOTE (BFirebird @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) Good point about the 5th starter...but I figured we would use one of those guys even before Rios. They definitely need a left-handed bat. If we can keep Dye for cheap...to play RF and DH....is there a left-handed 1B/DH we can get for a Raul Ibanez type in FA? Like a Casey Kotchman, Adam LaRoche...someone like that? Interesting idea with Kochman who could play a plus defense but obviously doesn't have the plus left handed power. He's also had a surprisingly poor season after putting up pretty good numbers for most of last year in Anaheim (prior to his trade).

QUOTE (G&T @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:19 PM) Wait. So JP wouldn't make a deal when he could have gotten talent for him, but would then dump him for nothing? Well the initial talks probably involved the Sox giving up prospects and getting cash plus Rios in return so my guess is the Jays and sox couldn't agree to how much cash the prospects the Sox were willing to give up were worth.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:18 PM) Is it 5 years 60 mil remaining or 6 years 60 mil? 5yrs 60 or so with a 6th year option.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:14 PM) I don't see anyway in which we can trade Jenks. We need more bullpen arms, not less (thought I understand your sentiment). We have nobody in our bullpen that we can really trust for this year or next right now other than Jenks or Thornton. I think we'll see Jenks spun for some above average prospects and also see the Sox make a play at a reliever or two at 1-2 year deals. Bottom line I fully expect Thornton to be the Sox closer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 05:13 PM) And you know I'll be thrilled when we trade Jenks. Cowley was saying earlier today that there's no way Dye doesn't return to the Sox next year, as he really wants to be here. However, I think today's move might have changed that. If it doesn't, the Sox would have to add a left handed bat that could play some left field for cheap. A Raul Ibanez or something (not that Ibanez is available, but just throwing out random names). If they could do that, than you can also sign Dye to a fair deal for 1 or 2 seasons and let him Dh and play outfield. I would just be hard pressed to see how the Sox did that. Either way I don't see them handing out any major contracts this off-season, in fact I see more of what they do will be 1-2 year deals or involve trades where they shed some payroll and try younger guys at some non-key positions within the pen. I also think this puts an end to the Sox giving any money to a 5th starter. Our 5th starter next season (if the front 4 is healthy) will be one of Hudson/Torres/Garcia.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 04:45 PM) I like the move, as even if it means the end of Dye next season, we will have improved our outfield defense. We just got Peavy and Rios for at least the next 3 seasons without giving up any of our top 4 prospects. The biggest sign to me this was a good deal? It's the fact that if the Cubs did this, we would have been b****ing about how lame it is to acquire a player this way. I think it means at least one of Dye/Thome is gone and that Jenks will be traded in the off-season. No way will the Sox be paying a closer massive bucks, imo.

So what are the full details of his contract?

Konerko has said no one knows how the playing time is going to be split up yet.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 03:11 PM) Frankly, we've heard enough about financial pressures coming from Toronto motivating the Halladay talk (believable or no we heard a ton of it) that it's not unreasonable to think that Toronto would let Rios go and still try to trade Halladay this offseason. They'll probably do exactly that, but the Jays have had a ton of injuries and I think as a whole they feel they can get by without Rios and the financial savings will be huge. If the Jays can they'll do what they can to get Vernon Wells off of there hands but that might be the most un-moveable contract in baseball right now. When the Jays were healthy they had one of the best producing rotations in baseball (it just isn't healthy).

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 02:42 PM) Who do you think is more popular in Toronto....Halladay or Rios? Moving Rios might put them in a better position to keep Halladay. I know Halladay won't renegotiate currently but remember, the Jays were going to trade Roy because he kept saying he wanted to test the market (so the Jays didn't want to lose him for nothing) not because ownership told them they needed to cut-payroll. They want to shed payroll but that is because Wells, Rios and others are making a lot of money and they can't afford paying guys that deserve the money they get because of some of the other contracts on the club.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) Which makes perfect sense, since Dye is ancient, Pods has had a magically healthy season *knocks on wood, and Quentin's foot needs routine rest anyway. Steve, got your info into the guy that sets up the accounts and I'll pm you the details once it is done.

Surprise: MLB Looking Into Guillen's Comments

The talk in Toronto is that the two teams have been in talks and that the Jays are trying to work out a deal. CJ Retheford name was brought up by the Jays beat-writer as a guy Toronto likes. We'll see what happens.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 02:04 PM) 2009 - ~98 million 2010 - ~60 million 2011 - ~43 million 2012 - ~27 million Not seeing how we're going to be strapped for cash anytime soon Is that counting Peavy?

Consider this the final mass warning. I don't like suspending people but if people continue to assault or attack a poster that is it. No questions ask, any further attacks in this thread will result in a minimum of a 10 day suspension.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 11:50 AM) No way Danks/Mitchell are ready. And I don't want Thome back next year. JD should be brought back as the DH and we'll need to find someone to play LF, possibly Pods. I also don't think we should get rid of AJ unless someone offers a trade we just couldn't say no to. AJ is really undervalued here, and if we were to get rid of him I think we'd pay for it. Flowers has not yet had 1 major league AB. Penciling him in over AJ for next year at this point is a little early IMO. You could make a case that you could afford to go with Danks next season and let him further his development at the big league level, but you'd want to make sure you had a veteran around him to help out with the situation. Obviously the better scenario would be leaving Danks down in the minors with the Sox signing a one year stop-gap but I really don't see many major holes in the rest of the lineup (infield is set and Beckham/Getz will have major league experience under there belts which should help them). Alexei will have more experience as well and I expect to see Flowers getting a lot of playing time as well as he continues his progress at the big league level. Basically put, the 2010 Sox with Rios and Quentin could afford to stick with Danks if they really wanted to and let him take some licks at the big league level.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 10:10 AM) Hence why you highlighted the "if" part of "If his superiors are telling him to dump contract". I obviously do not work for the Jays or talk to their ownership but from everything else I have read - it appears that is their mindset. So this isn't my own thought up speculation, it is what I have seen written which is all we pretty much to go off of. The point wasn't that they need to clear payroll - the point of my post was that the pressure is far from being on KW as Phillips implied and that if anything it would be on JP. Especially "if" they want to shed payroll. Which it seems like everyone thinks they need to and are trying to do. http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster If they don't need to clear any payroll - well then I find it hard to comprehend why they wanted to deal their Ace or any other pieces. But good point - I just don't think Phillips has a clue. He is a guy who has been there and can shed some light but there is a reason why he isn't remotely near that kind of position anymore. If they had to shed payroll they would have dumped there ace. Instead they put him on the market and asked for a ridiculous offer. If they didn't get it, he was staying put. That in no way shape or form tells you that they needed to shed-payroll.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 9, 2009 -> 11:32 AM) Kane never had to take any tests because there was no rule that he had to go to college before he entered the NHL. Personally I find theft and assault worse than cheating, but thats just me. Ya, this is pathetic. If true, a big f*** You goes out to Kane and he should get booed out of arenas everywhere. What a jag.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Aug 8, 2009 -> 12:31 AM) Does Homberg have any upside? If so what is his project AA/AAA timeframe? 2012? Very hard to put a timeline on a high-schooler but ya, he's got upside and he could be a very good one but I think any guesses right now would be very generalized. If things went really well he'd hit AA in 2011 or so (that would allow for at least a full season in A ball).

QUOTE (G&T @ Aug 10, 2009 -> 06:29 AM) I remember in 2004 Boston freaked out because Manny was placed on waivers. In any event, I hope McCulloch is traded so I can see the inevitable "We are very excited and envision him in the starting rotation next season" non-sense from whoever picks him up. Then I will laugh and laugh. Boston placed Manny on waivers hoping someone would have just taken his entire contract off of there hands.

McCulloch might be a good guy for the Jays in the sense that they could claim he's a former 1st rounder who just needs a change of scenery. Basically to tell fans, not only did we dump his contract but we got something that might be decent too (even though we all know he's crap).