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QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Aug 8, 2009 -> 12:16 AM) Kenny, quick question on this. I think you might know. Huddie signed in 2008 and this is his first full year in MILB. But those 3 months of service time count (2008) towards his 6 year contract right? Here is my question: 1. 2008 - 3 months service time MILB 2. 2009 - 1 full year service time MILB 3. 2010 - Projected 1 full year service time MLB 4. 2011 - Projected 1 full year service time MLB 5. 2012 - Projected 1 full year service time MLB 6. 2013 - Projected 1 full year service time MLB 7. 2014 - ??? ** All his MLB year are just hypothetical ** Which years from 2012-2014 are arb years and which are really under control and what the Sox pay him according to the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) which classifies him as a non Free Agent until after the 2014 season? Since he signed the contract in July/Aug of 2008 does it run exactly 6 years to the date into the same month in 2014 or until the end of the 2014 season? See this is the confusing part as many draft players sign between the draft at the end of June and before the signing deadling of Aug 17th which is still before the end of the MLB season. Players generally sign 6 year initial contracts as prospects out of the draft is what I understand. Once a player is in the majors, the 6 years starts. The only exception is if a player signs a contract that excludes a team from offering him aribtration and at that point the team loses there exclusive rights. There are some ways to get more time out of a player based upon when you call him up though.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 8, 2009 -> 01:54 AM) From an absolute baseball and talent point of view, Alex Rios is essentially the player people have clamored to get for several years. There is virtually no difference between his high, medium, and low leverage situations in regards to OPS throughout the entirety of his career. However, in high leverage spots, when the game is generally close and late, he has hit .305 with a .352 OBP, but to the tune of a .791 OPS. This suggests that when the situation calls for it, he has absolutely no problem going for a good solid base hit or walk, just to get himself on base so he or someone else can get him into scoring position, or so he can drive in the tying or go-ahead run. In medium leverage spots, he has put up his best numbers, and this is the most likely time that he is going to swing for the fences and try and put a game out of reach. Of his career 79 home runs, 42 of them have come in medium leverage spots. This suggests that he has no problem taking more chances when the team is either trailing or winning by more than one, be it early or late. Hence, he's only put up a .329 OBP, but his OPS is the highest of all situations at a very solid .795 (only slightly higher than high leverage). He's a lesser combined version of both high and medium in low leverage situations; he'll hit for power, he'll take a walk, but he obviously loses focus in games out of reach and as such, his OPS is .770 in such situations. The only problem I have with acquiring a guy like Rios is the intangible factor; it wasn't long ago that his name was brought up as a potential trade candidate, and someone posted a video to him on YouTube. (NSFW) At his price, and with his ability, you have to take a chance. I would also say that his acquisition would be the beginning of the end for Jermaine Dye in a White Sox uniform. He's been the best free agent signing in White Sox history, but he's a DH at this point in his career, and his role, especially with this move, would become very easily replaced. The Sox can run out a very good platoon between LF, CF, RF, and DH with Quentin, Podsednik, Dye, Thome, and Rios if they made such a move, and they probably weaken the Tigers in the process. Whether the Sox actually want to make this move or not is debatable. I think this is obviously a move to block Detroit from making a play on Rios, but if the price is right (ie free or cheap), KW won't hesitate to bring him aboard. If they start asking for Hudson or Danks, then Rios will remain a Blue Jay. It's as simple as that. The Sox aren't going to take a chance on this type of contract because they are blocking the Tigers. Heck, the Tigers really don't have room to add this type of contract so if the Sox put in a waiver request, as has been reported, they've clearly decided that he'd fit in perfectly on this team next year and the next couple of years. And if you think about it, he's a younger version of Figgins that plays plus defense out in CF (not as good of a base-stealer as Figgins but he has more pop) and if the Sox were to go after Figgins this off-season it will probably cost a signficant chunk of money (you also have to contend with other teams) and you'll be losing a draft pick. This makes sense if the Sox had initially intended on Figgins. You get Rios, whose a quality player that would be unique to the Sox (they don't have many guys like Rios) and I think he'll really help this team.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 09:50 PM) Puzzeling move when you read it, but when you break things down, it makes a lot of sense. Like others have said, if the Sox are confident adding Rios will help this team and not hinder them from making future moves, payroll wise, I'm all for it. I agree. We obviously have to hope he plays to his potential but there is no doubting the guy makes the Sox a much better team.

Wow, that makes zero sense. If I'm the Jays I say thank you and let him walk. If you can get something for him even better, but worse case just say he's yours.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 04:13 AM) I understand the blister issue, but he was bad before and has been bad since. Is it time for a quick DL trip? I think he's suffering from the added workload he had last season. He hasn't been very sharp or crisp in a long while. I still think he's got a bright future but theres a reason I have a bigger man crush on Floyd

All I can say is the Sox are starting to use Charlotte as a place to develop prospects a bit more. Flowers is there, Hudson there, Becks spent a little time there, etc.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 6, 2009 -> 08:11 AM) Torres looked servicable against Tampa and the first start jitters should be gone. Hudson will have all of this stuff to work through. I'd also like to see if Torres does ok for him to stay up until Peavy is ready and then stay with the team through September. The starters could use that extra day I would think which they will not be getting if they skip the number 5 spot. I prefer Torres right now. He's more ready. Plus he's a lot better than I think some people think. Torres is going to have a solid major league career if used properly.

Whats the score, etc?

QUOTE (rockren @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) Yes, Yes. Don't forget the eye test. Its tough. Right now I'd say that most of that front-end of the class looks real good. The Reds clearly are kicking themselves for passing up on Smoak and Beckham for Alonso and the Marlins are doing the same for Kyle Skipworth.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 11:23 AM) ...check out Jeff Francouer's rookie stats and remember how people were so ga-ga over him too... .300/.336/.549/.885 70 GP, 272 AB, 14 HR, 20 2B, 1 3B, 45 RBI, 11BB it would seem like the lack of walks and reliance on homers made this predictable, but Francoeur was hitting .300 over 70 games with a ton of doubles...doesn't that sound familiar? His career line is currently a disappointing .266/.308/.424/.732 and the power numbers have been relatively down since 06 - just 82 career homers. So what happened to Jeff Francouer? Couldn't the same thing happen to Beckham? It could, but Francouer had major flaws in his swing that people knew about. On top of it he didn't have a handle of the strike zone.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 08:10 AM) lol... "I have only seen it on one blog" Did he really say that?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) and unemployed Nah, its Chicago, his dad is still collecting unemployment

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 04:21 PM) How come I am the only one on here that complains about working too much? Seriously though the people I work with tell me I am a mad man for working the hours that I work. I stopped working for the slave shop and started working for a lesser slave shop so in comparison, I don't think I work that much (still 47 or so hours a week though). But it beats the f*** out of 60+ hr's a week.

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) I have never once served jury duty. I think the courts get me and my dad who are Sr. and Jr. mixed up or something. I get to do it the week you come out. Hopefully they don't put me on some massive drug case, haha.

That wouldn't have been all that bad from Seattle's perspective, especially the 1st trade, imo.

QUOTE (DaveBrown85 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) "Scot Gregor of the Daily Herald says in his blog that the White Sox could sign veteran outfielder Jermaine Dye to a two-year extension and likely will cut ties with Jim Thome at the end of the season. Gregor notes that Dye remains a productive player and enjoys playing in Chicago." To tell you the truth wouldn't mind this at all. As long as dye DH and they get a new RF Speculation or not, I'd be a big fan of that move. I know one of the two will be gone and If I were going to pick I'd let it be Thome and not Dye, who has been one of the most productive Rfers during his tenure in Chicago.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 05:57 PM) I need to see more out of Joe Mauer before I am willing to pay him $20 million a year for 10 years. I understand he is one of the league's best hitters - there is no disputing that - but the power he showed earlier this season has tailed off. My guess is he will resume being a 15-20 home run guy next year and I just don't think he is worth $20 million a year if he is going to be an .870 OPS player. However, should he show he can still hit for the power he flashed earlier in the year and hit for a high average, putting up the 1.000 OPS he is currently, then he is probably worth that kind of contract. As it stands right now, his career numbers to me dictate he is an .870 OPS player. Are you going to pay him $20 million a year while you could pay Flowers a mere fraction of that to post an .800-830 OPS himself? I'm not... All while playing gold glove defense. I don't think I'd give him that type of deal but if he hits the open market he'll get it or something close to it, imo.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 04:22 PM) Yea, I was referring more to what it was at the time of the deal. Minny traded a 4ish ERA pitcher with some unfulfilled promise (he had started to fulfill finally at that point)......for a guy who was very highly regarded as a prospect that just hadnt delivered on his power promise and hasnt Danks for McCarthy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 02:26 PM) If Mauer can last as a catcher with no major injuries through the end of 2010, then someone will pay him as a catcher. His bat at 1b or DH is nice but no where near what he could get as a catcher. He's a 5/$100 or better player at catcher. He's a 4/$48 DH/1b, give or take. If you don't think he can last at C, then stay the hell away from him. I'd take Joe over Tex and Tex just got an insane 10 year deal to play first base so I think your way off in your estimates. I think he gets a 10yr 200M offer or something close.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 02:00 PM) A lot of teams may still be trying to hold their ground or shedding salary at that point, the job market isn't likely to really turn around until then, so attendance could be still under pressure the next 2 years. That combined with the number of bad deals out there (See: Chicago, NL) will knock out 1/2 the teams. Then there will be the teams that have a C. The Yankees and Red Sox will be in there. But the Yankees do have at least 1 young catcher on his way up right? It's a winnable bid if you're determined to get him...the question is...does it make sense for the team to lock up that kind of salary in a catcher who might not stay there? IMO, it only does if you have immense flexibility overall due to a number of young guys succeeding. The Yanks young catcher Montero makes Flowers look like Johnny Bench. There is no way Montero sticks at catcher. He is still a top 20 prospect though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 2, 2009 -> 06:24 AM) He's exactly the kind of guy JR would open the checkbook to acquire. I doubt he leaves Minnesota. With their new stadium and revenues, and the Pohlads being perhaps the richest owners in MLB, losing Mauer would be devastating. Exactly, with the new stadium coming in there is no way they'll let Mauer walk. I could actually see Joe being one of the few guys the Sox would be willing to go after and give a 7-10 year deal to but it won't happen.

A few years back the Angels traded Mo Vaughn to the Mets for Kevin Appier. Appier had a big contract as did big fat Mo but the teams just were swapping bad contracts. It happens, maybe not as much as it does in basketball, but that is because you don't have a cap, imo.

Tough loss but it was nice to see the offense put up a ton of really good at bats all series and today they stranded a few but still, got quite a few runs given the pitcher who was on the mound. Buehrle just didn't have it.

WOO WOOO WOO WOOO...I just orgasmed....four times.

Hahah, its totally our site that started it.