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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) For all the crap Getz gets around here, he's probably in the top 5 for ROY voting. And he brings something very unique to the Sox lineup. A guy that can handle the bat, run the bases, bunt, etc. He's going to be a very good 9 hole hitter in the AL. Oh and he's pretty darn solid at 2B. Him and Beckham have been huge additions to this team that really make this offense more diverse.

I really love Getz/Beckham.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) I remember when Washburn was with the Angels, he was described as a poor man's Mark Buerhle. I remember having to watch numerous Wasbhurn starts. I can't stand him, don't like him, but its a solid pick-up for the Tigers. He's a league average starter though historically and thats about it.

QUOTE (Disco72 @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) I really don't like this move, but I guess he's our 2nd / situational lefty. He's looked awesome against the 3 guys he's faced thus far. If Ozzie uses him right he can be pretty effective and since the Sox carry 7 relievers regularly you can afford to have a guy that is a pure LOOGY.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) T-Pain throws some easy heat. I really like Pena. He has awesome sinking action and an effortless delivery. I was shocked at what his gun readings are.

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) Danks isn't a #4 on most teams right now. He's a #3 on the Yankees, #3 on the Red Sox, #2 / #3 on the Angels this year. He's at worst #3 for the Sox (I think he's pretty equal with Floyd overall but Floyd has been hotter the last few months) and will only go down to #4 because the Sox will have two legitimate #1s for the first time since who knows when (Peters / Horlen?). I agree with that.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 12:57 PM) Ill take the ticket If I can play in the softball game. Absolutely you can!!!

By the way, I'm not hating on Danks. He's a ridiculously good #4 and he's learning how to pitch still. He's a really good one too with an upside of a #2 as well. I give Floyd a little bit of a notch and right now I think Floyd is better but he's also older. I f***ing love the fact that we have both of them on the southside!!! Combine that with Buehrle/Peavy and what I expect will be Hudson next season (maybe a veteran stop-gap until Hudson takes over) and we are talking about a team that if the rotation is healthy, should contend every single season.

QUOTE (Felix @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 03:17 PM) Your man-love for Floyd is ridiculous. You got to give me credit though. I was the one of the few who kept saying how dumb the talk was about moving him. I've always said you need to look at stats and what your seeing and when Floyd was really struggling earlier in the year I was seeing a guy that was getting dealt a lot of bad luck and really wasn't that far off from being his real good stuff. He's learned how to cut his fastball a bit, has two variations of plus curves, and has a surprisingly good changeup and to me it is the change-up that will be the key to him eventually turning into a very good #2 starter.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 03:16 PM) I love Floyd, but does he take care of business the way Danks just did when he gets himself into a jam? Granted, Carlos helped him out a LOT, but still. 2.34 ERA over his last 13 starts. And Floyd doesn't get him into those type of jams as much but I remember him pitching himself out of plenty of jams. Floyd consitently gets deeper into games though and that is because he pitches more to contact while still putting improving K numbers. He's also gone 2 straight months (June/July) where he posted a sub 1 WHIP.

This is why Danks doesn't go deep into games. And it is why he isn't as good as Gavin.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 01:40 PM) Q is hitting the ball hard every time-out. I'm telling you, the Sox have picked up an MVP and a Cy Younger cause Quentin looks back and last year Quentin was the MVP when he was on the field.

QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 12:21 PM) I hate FOX Is there any chance these lame blackout rules will EVER be changed in the coming years? Ya, it sucks horribly. Anyone know of a way for me to watch the game?

Nunez Up; Lillibridge Down SoxNet Scouting Report: Nunez is a quality relief prospect, who has a chance at developing into a good set-up men. He features a plus fastball (94-96) which he combines with an average-to-good slider. The key to Nunez success at the major league level will be his slider. His slider can be a good pitch when he stays on top of his delivery and if he throws it with consistency we'll see him in the White Sox pen for the next couple years.

QUOTE (Dizzy Sox @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 07:59 PM) Viciedo after the ASB: .364/.397/.636 He's going to be good. Real good. He's got special bat speed.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:08 AM) Contreras is still useful. No need to rush Hudson. We have a decent core of young players. The 2010 White Sox should be a really good team if Kenny is average this offseason. Full year with Beckham, maybe Getz improves, Richard with more experience and confidence, Quentin healthy. A lot of reasons to think the team gets better next year. Rushing Hudson shouldn't be in the cards unless he dominates in spring training. That's extremely exciting. Hudson probably won't be up until late in the year or an injury, but that rotation is very encouraging. He was a better prospect, but that's quite the exaggeration. Honel never produced outside of A-ball. McCarthy put up Minor League player of the year numbers while cruising through a ton of stops and had a ton of success early in his major league career. Injuries have really been McCarthy's only problem (albeit its a big problem).

QUOTE (Felix @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 06:19 PM) Here's a look at their numbers over the past two seasons: Danks: 308.1 IP (52 GS), 3.53 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 7.4 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 2.57 K/BB, 0.8 HR/9, 130 ERA+ Floyd: 343.1 IP (55 GS), 3.93 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 6.8 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 2.23 K/BB, 1.1 HR/9, 117 ERA+ So basically, Danks gives up slightly less walks while slightly striking out more batters and giving up less home runs, and ultimately less runs. Gavin has thrown more innings per start, but I think some of that has to do with Ozzie's handling of Danks given Gavin's extra few years of age. Or the fact that Gavin just has the better ability right now to go deeper into games. Both have been really good but Floyd had an atrocious start in there. Over his past 15 he's one of the 4 best pitchers in baseball IIRC (ERA wise). Or at least I swore I read that just after his Yankee start.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 05:42 PM) Buehrle/Peavy (when he's healthy, co #1's), Floyd, Danks (one of the best "4th" starters in baseball), CONTRERAS (OOPS) and now Torres/Carrasco/Garcia/Colon/TBA. Yankees=Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Chamberlain, Petitte, Mitre (Wang/Kennedy/Hughes) Red Sox=Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Buchholz, Penny, (Dice K/Smoltz) Angels=Lackey, Weaver, Saunders, E. Santana, Palmer (Escobar/Loux/Moseley)...would have given them the advantage before this season. Rays=Shields, Kazmir, Garza, Price, Niemann, Sonnanstine Definitely, we have the best starting rotation outside of the AL East, there's no arguing that much. 2nd, do we make a move for Doug Davis or Paul Byrd to get possibly only 3 starts out of them (if Peavy's really coming back in August) or just gut it out with what we have...? If you are talking top 4, I'd have to say the White Sox. But right now Peavy is hurt so they can't truly be in that discussion and we know I feel this way because I absolutely love Gavin Floyd too. I put the Sox at the top because I don't buy Joba as a starter (can't go deep into games yet) and Pettite isn't as good as he used to be. Boston has a great 1-2 but Wakefield is on the DL, Bucholtz is unproven and Penny/DiceK/Smoltz haven't looked good. Really love the ANgels, they right now are my 1. No true ace but Lackey/Saunders/Weaver/Santana is pretty damn good when healthy. Drays have a shot to be the best but Kazmir hasn't been that great, Price hasn't yet made the strides everyone expects him to make one day. I love Matt Garza though.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) I LOVE speed. That 7th inning was so fun to watch. Sometimes, you have to force the other team's hand. It is a part of baseball and it was beautiful to watch. Had we not scored that inning I'd have been pissed cause Kotsay and Quentin had crushed it with two on and no one out and we had gotten nothing to show of it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:36 PM) Hell yes to the Q as well. Write today down as the day the Sox acquired an MVP and a CY Young Award winner. It is also the day I declare that I think the Sox are going to be World Champions this year.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 12:54 AM) I can't name the source but I can tell you that Hudson was told that he was traded. But maybe my source is wrong cause everything I'm reading tonight indicate it was the exact same trade. I swore I saw someone else confirm a while back that Broadway was a part of the trade too.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 10:01 PM) ??? That doesn't appear to be the consensus of this board right now. With a couple of exceptions I think most posters acknowledge that we gave up some decent prospects, but we used said prospects to get an ace who is better than any of those players will be. Nobody's been bashing the weakness of the farm system this year because it isn't weak, and the only top prospect we gave up is Poreda. We still have Danks, Viciedo, Hudson, and Flowers. I don't see what you're getting at. Poreda I was fine with. I like Dex but given that we have a few starters I think out of all the guys we had, I personally rank Danks/Vicideo/Flowers/Mitchell all above what we gave up (excluding Richard, because young starters with his arm don't grow on trees). There I said it, Clayton Richard is a better prospect than Aaron Poreda

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:32 PM) I think Hudson has a chance of being ready. KW may be thinking that with the economy in the crapper, free agents are going to be cheaper this offseason. If he's right, he gets to buy low. Especially when you surround Huddy with Buehrle/Peavy/Floyd/Danks. I'm thrilled. The Sox didn't have any upper echelon pitching prospects. RIchard has a great fastball and I like his potential but he doesn't have secondary stuff. Poreda was a high rated prospect that I think makes it as a set-up guy but doesn't have good secondary stuff. Neither Richard or Poreda are front of the rotation starters. Dex is a guy that is probably still a year away with a very live arm who has a shot at being a #2/#3 but that is just a shot and he's still a long ways away. Russell is a guy we obviously weren't super high on anymore, otherwise we'd have seen him up before we made a move for a Pena. Bottom line I'm thrilled with this deal because the Sox now have a sick rotation and can really get younger and better in the field with Danks/Mitchell/Viciedo/Flowers and keep Alexei/Beckham/Getz/Quentin. That really is a beautiful young nucleus to go with a rotation that has two guys before there primes, one just entering it and one in his prime. Plus Hudson is a f***ing stud, better prospect than Carter right now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 07:26 PM) We may struggle to fill those slots. KW says 3 starts. 1 is tonight and we're currently winning this game 6-5 (thanks God!). We can call up Torres to cover a few of those. He was real good last outing; we'll see on the rest. If we can survive those couple weeks; you don't want to be the team facing Peavy, Buerhle, Danks, Floyd in the postseason. Expect Torres back up. The Sox like him.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 05:55 PM) What I don't like is that Kenny consistently overpays in these trades. We traded Swisher and Vaz and got table scraps. maddening to me. Tyler Flowers and Sergio Rodriguez are far from table scraps. Dayan Vicideo (Swisher's money) is also far from a table scrap. The Sox traded 1 top 50 prospect for a 27 year old ace (widely considered one of the 5 best pitchers in baseball). I'd say that from a personell stand-point you are talking about a potential steal. I think Richard turns into a solid starter for a long-time, RUssell is a 6th inning reliever, Poreda turns into a set-up guy, and Carter is an X-factor but I don't see him as being a front of the rotation starter (and he's still in A ball). So basically if every guy hits his peak I'm still freaking a-ok with this move. This is of course assuming Peavy's arm doesn't fall off.