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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ May 27, 2009 -> 02:29 PM) Am I the only one that gets sad seeing players promoted to Charlotte? I'd rather he stay in Birmingham and come up that way. Get a new ballpark down there. Charlotte is working on a new park. Usually the Sox don't send top prospects to Charlotte to stay long so my guess is they have an exact plan in mind and Gbeck won't be there for too long. I assume they want him to see a bit more breaking balls before they ultimately promote him. He's gotten some action at 3B so Fields has to be on notice because I think Beckham will be playing 3B in Chicago shortly.

I know its minor league related, but its big news and first released at Soxtalk.com, but White Sox top prospect Gordon Beckham has been promoted to AAA Charlotte. Beckham might even be playing in tonights game, which will be broadcasted on MILB.com.

Kick some ass Gavin!!!

QUOTE (fathom @ May 27, 2009 -> 02:19 PM) Not sure if this was accurate, but I heard Weaver's been tougher on the White Sox (1 ER in 4 career starts) than anyone in franchise history. He dominates us.

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 27, 2009 -> 02:04 PM) Also, bringing in Byrnes would practically ensure BA being part of the deal. Poreda, Allen, Richard, and Anderson for Haren, Byrnes, and 4-5 million dollars. I think you would have to do that deal. And it is something that could be intriguing to the DBacks. They clear a lot of payroll, bring in 2 quality lefty starters, get someone who could be their 1B of the future, and at least a 4th OF similar to Byrnes but a whole lot cheaper. But again, it just goes back to what the DBacks are planning on doing. I doubt trading Haren would cripple their franchise like Dick is making it sound like, but if they feel they can compete soon, they probably wouldn't want to trade Haren. Or if they want to revamp their team and go into a rebuilding or even re-tooling process, they'd definitely be interested in freeing up a LOT of salary room and gaining some quality prospects in return. It is a pretty similar package to what the Dbacks gave up, especially when you factor in the money the Sox are taking. I'd be exstatic with the deal, in reality it is probably an xbox deal, but I wouldn't have a problem at all. But I f***ing love Haren. I also really really like Brandon Allen.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) Depends on what else is included and who the top of the rotation guy is. Richard's been a pleasant surprise so far...its still possible you're right and he can't keep that up, but that's why they play the games. If Richard is valued as an upper echelon prospect, it might be the time to trade him. Depends on what the Sox think of him. Still, he's a very valuable prospect and I've always said that. He can start, pitch in relief and at worse will be a very good reliever for a long time. I'd deal him in the right deal but I also have no problem sticking him in the rotation and seeing what happens cause I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn into a pretty f***ing solid #3 or #4 and given how cheap he'll be for the next few years thats pretty damn valuable. But if it takes him to get Haren, I don't think twice. If it takes him and a big package to get Oswalt, I might actually think twice just because of Oswalts age and when I truly think the Sox will be ready to contend for a series.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:58 PM) Not all scouts are right on about talent. I think in Beck's case, many of them really missed the boat. But look at the draft, almost everyone is producing at a great clip. It just happens to be last year is looking like a sick top 10 of the draft and I think it would be a big mistake to write off Alvarez because of a few months of professional ball, especially after what he did and showed in college. People were comparing this guy to all of the offensive greats.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) I think there's quite a few teams out there that would re-evaluate letting G. Beckham fall to 8 in that draft. His stock has risen higher than anyone's. Personally, I'll keep slayer over making a move for a guy who is at best 3 years away. Wait, are you saying Alvarez is 3 years away? Cause most scouts probably would have figured he'd be close to the majors by now. He's sucked ass in professional ball but once the switch flips it shouldn't take long for him to be at the major league level. Really, when you look at how the draft went, almost all of the top 10 is looking pretty damn good, with the big exception being Kyle Skipworth and Alvarez (but Alvarez was a total no brainer).

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) I'd gladly eat the rest of Byrnes terrible contract if it helped us get Haren. Byrnes only has 1 year left on his contract, and while 11 million is a lot for a 4th OF who was likely a juicer, getting Haren in the process would be worth it. You have to remember that it just isn't the Sox's mo. However, if the Dbacks send a few million, you could make a case that it wouldn't be any more of a financial committment than what the Sox would have had to do with Peavy so maybe it makes sense.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:49 PM) You'd take Alvarez in a second over Beckham? Really? I think over 90% of scouts would too. Beckham might have to move to 3B and if he does you now are comparing Alvarez and Beckham. Alvarez is better defensively and he has such massive offensive potential. That said, six months from now, people might be making fun of me for saying this cause Alvarez has been terrible in his short lived professional career.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) I think he meant: "If someone would please just take Eric Byrnes contract off our hands I will give you whatever you want." Ya, that was another name I was going to throw out. I think if the Dbacks were smart they'd package him in a Haren deal. That is of course if they are looking to just clear payroll. If they are looking to get the most talent package and money isn't much of an object its another story. For example, even if the Dbacks paid a significant portion of Byrnes salary and gave us Haren, we'd be talking about a much smaller packaeg for Haren. Would the Sox do it, probably not, but again, it might be the only way to get Haren without giving up our top 3 or 4 prospects.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) You're totally missing the point of the sarcastic remark, but I'll leave it at that. No I understand your taking a shot at those ripping on Fields. And since I continue to fall in the camp that doesn't buy into Fields and wanted him traded for years, I think its a bush league argument.

Interesting quote from Rock's article: Money, money, money....if someone has money or willing to take on payroll, they could really get some great players.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:46 PM) They're not ready to give up on Stephen Drew yet? Based on the Josh Fields standard he's well past being a bust. (Edit: Sorry, I know, I shouldn't have dragged that in to another thread) Are you kidding me? Stephen Drew and Josh Fields don't belong in the same sentence. Drew is an upper echelon athlete who put up a .836 OPS last season (2nd full year) at the shortstop position. Now his first full year was a dissapointment and he's struggled this year, but you don't write a guy off that his type of potential. And if they wanted to I'd gladly trade Josh Fields for Stephen Drew, but unfortunately the Dbacks would laugh at that deal. That said, I wouldn't be shocked if Drew eventually goes elsewhere and excels as the Dbacks have quite a few guys that are just so much better than there numbers.

For those suggesting Oswalt, I read this on benmaller:

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:30 PM) I'd be surprised if you could get Haren by parting with Beckham. Talk about wanting to destroy a fan base. Trade a guy signed reasonably and long term who is an ace for a bunch of prospects. Beckham isn't a fit in Arizona. And the sox have the prospects to do the deal, the question is whether Arizona is ready to. They've been a bit better as of late and unless they are giving up and have other plans in mind, they are still a team that isn't far from contending, imo (ie, they have talent), so they aren't just moving Haren to being there rebuilding process. For example, Houston might move Oswalt because they are that far off from competing.

To me the thing that makes the Dbacks harder to deal with is the fact that they do have a lot of talent on that club so you could make a case that with just a few minor moves or just them waking up, they could immediately emerge as a world series contender. They have that much talent, its just a matter of them playing up to there ability (of course thats been the case for a couple seasons). They tend to remind me a bit of the early 2000 White Sox in that sense. Different teams, but young players with talent who just never were able to put it all together. Oh and they won't give Haren away, he's very valuabel to them so unless there is a mandate to cut salary I don't know if they trade him unless they are blown away. Now if Webb is in a different spot, I could maybe understand they move him if they don't plan on offering him a bit long-term deal. All of these deals will come down to the economics because teams won't just willingly give up on mid 20's front of the rotation pitchers at or near there prime years.

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) I'm wondering if we'll see Dex join his friend in W-S after the draft. I'm predicting us to be drafting a lot of college talent this year, so Kanny could be bringing in some really good players in July. I'm really interested to see if the Sox put up two straight quality drafts. They just don't have the tendency to do what they did in the last draft and while I've always been a big fan of Lauman he has had a history of making some questionable picks (ie, serious overdrafts) and in general the Sox have always been cheap in the draft. You can point to the team not having top 10 picks, but when you look at the last 5-6 years, the Sox have historically been one of the lowest spenders throughout the draft (not just 1st round). Last year they spent more, but Beckham and Danks were a big part of that adn to be honest they had a lot of early round selections that were very cheap/over drafts and that was flat out stupid. They hit on Hudson/Carter or at least looks that way, but the selections of O'Neil/Morel/KWJr were just atrocious for where the Sox took them. So I hope the Sox realize they need to invest a bit more heavy, especially now that they saw what having a good system can do for them (ie, havin the ability to pull off major trades) and spend a little more than they did last year (they'll need to too, since they have a few more picks in the early rounds). I'm just afraid we'll see the Sox go with there tendencies of taking at least a few guys in the early rounds that have no business going there. That said, the thing I love about Laumann is that he is a big tools guy.

If we take a pitcher, I think Arnett is my guy (unless someone else drops). I also like Bashmore a lot. He's a nice looking lefty and probably a safe selection if he is there in the 3rd to 5th round (might be gone though).

I like him. He's got a good build, solid stuff with some upside, and should at least turn into a good relief prospect with a shot at being a good starting prospect. Depending on whats out there, I consider him from the supplemental slot on.

Not a fan, not a fan. I'm a tools guy and this guy just doesn't have what it takes. If you project him as a 2nd baseman, he might turn into a solid get, but if he's playing in a cornfer outfield spot I don't think he makes it as a starter and I don't take a guy in the first 4 rounds who doesn't at least have the upside to be a starter (doesn't mean he will be, but just that he has the upside to be).

Great outing for Dex. The guy is long, lanky, and a good prospect with a shot of being a great prospect. I would be shocked if he ever made the elite prospect range, but still, awesome to see.

Come on Barons.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 27, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) Oswalt is not a #1 or #2 starter right now. A year from now he might not even be a #3 starter. Oswalt is struggling a bit this year but the stuff is still there and he was dominant the 2nd half of last year.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ May 27, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) Ummm...why? Is it because the Padres are in a deeper financial hole and would take less? Please explain why when you post stuff like this...cuts down on post count. He's put up great numbers in both the AL and NL and while in the NL he's been in at least a relatively offensive park. He's young and has a bit cheaper contract and the Dbacks dont' have to trade him. If they do, I'd be all over it though and would probably even be willing to part with Beckham to get him. But if you give up Beckham you have to reduce the price elsewhere. Still, the Dbacks probably have little interest in Gbeck, but I could see some sort of deal worked out, if the Dbacks do in fact want to move him. I'd f***ing love Haren or Webb.