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QUOTE (farmteam @ May 9, 2012 -> 08:29 PM) The biggest condemnation here seems to be liberals are glad Obama used gays as a prop. People in this thread have repeatedly said "but what if the group affected is GLAD (pun intended) to be used as a political prop if that's the only way they'll get these rights that have been denied to them?" And you keep ignoring that question. No, I don't. I'm glad you "settle" for being used. If it's a principled stance, so be it. This isn't. Nonetheless, you are all in love again because we have a leader who loves to play people's emotions instead of being a real leader. It's sad you can't see that.

Oh, and you know, LBJ was bigoted before he turned into a race hero, right? .... ..... ........ It's not (the) issue, it's that you all just jump right in and drain the swamp with someone who has no moral compass whatsoever.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 9, 2012 -> 08:07 PM) Farmteam, Hes no crusader for gay rights, but hes the first President to support it, so you cant deny his role. Its like Lincoln, he was no abolitiionist, in fact he wasnt even strongly against slavery to start, but circumstances changed and thus he freed the slaves. History doesnt care about reasons, history cares about results. If Obama can get gay people equality, it wont matter the reason. To argue otherwise is nothing more than trying to create a smokescreen to obscure the actual facts, which is why Kap relies on the lowest possible form of argument, insulting the other person. You call a person a sheep, when you have nothing, when you cant respond with an actual argument, when you can not actually articulate a position. If he wants a sheep, he picked the wrong battle. No, a definition of a sheep is just allowing yourself to be sucked in, saying RAH RAH RAH!!! by a weak sauce president who is using a sensitized issue for a political prop and to shake a group down for more money. You all are praising a stance that may be right or wrong (which you keep assuming my stance but you don't know) that is 100% allowing your position to be used. He did it TODAY because the pollsters told him to. Quick. Call GMA, because now I'm for gay marriage! (sic). It's a disgusting, purely political bald face move. I'm glad you all support using gay people like that. I sure don't, and frankly I don't have a problem with the issue at all. But I sure do mind it for a political prop and you all cheer it on ... so hisssstoric!!

It has nothing to do with HIS position, or mine for that matter. He's using gay people for a prop, and you all dig it. Sheeple. If he actually gave a damn, it might change the spectrum from which he preaches. He's the most unprincipled leader we have ever had. But whatever, you all don't care.

AHAHAHHHAHAAAA This has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. He sold you people down the river, and you're the sheep he wants. Rejoice.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 07:22 PM) No, the bigoted position is the disgusting one. Whatever motivation moves a person away from that is a win. That is a fallacy. If he would have had balls to actually say this 4 years ago, it *might* be different. Today, it's whore job. But you all are sucking it right up. *gasp* OMG HOW HISSSTORIC! Please.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:48 PM) "The finger thing means the taxes!" Yea, that's it. Nevermind the trillions that got wasted for nothing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:58 PM) No. I don't think he believes a word of what he is saying, and I don't get praising the man for something he obviously doesn't believe. I'd have more respect for the guy for having positions I don't agree with versus selling out for a few votes. It is the same reason I don't have any respect for guys like Mitt Romney or Jack Edwards. This isn't support. It is pandering. And he uses a bigot strawman to pander, which is even more disgusting.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:06 PM) I wrote that before reading your comments but they definitely fall into that category too. How the hell is this worth all that reaction? "Obama made a cynical political move all politicians make all the time, OHHH SNAP" water is wet, the sky is blue, fire is hot, dirt is dirty... now, if Obama did something like say he consulted a rare three-breasted koala sitting on his desk in the Oval Office and did a ritual drinking of milk from its third nipple prior to making his decision, you can come wake me up. Come on... there is literally nothing he could have said or done that you wouldn't have hated and you know this, why pretend otherwise? I just find the exploitation of a group of politicized people (who, by the way, shouldn't be politicized, but whatever, that's a totally different point) rather grotesque.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ May 9, 2012 -> 11:46 AM) Russia really has never figured out how to fly. They should stop. Call it a day, invest in trains. But they sure kick our ass in the space program. (Not really, but no one gives a s*** about ours anymore).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:59 PM) They weren't going to get away with that assertion without getting at least a challenge noted by me, and you know that. Well, okay. Actually, lol. That's kind of funny.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 9, 2012 -> 06:00 PM) lol at people flipping the f*** out about this like some huge horrible secret was revealed (the fact that he never stated the obvious out loud notwithstanding). WTF people. What did you learn today? Nothing... Right? Soooo? Which is kind of my point, lost. He called the media TODAY because they're reading poll numbers, and it's bulls***.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:58 PM) And frankly, this post and your reaction entirely disgusts me, so we're even. Oh really? You know how *I* think about this issue? I'm not the one who is making a political mockery of the gay community, your president is. He has no balls or principles and just whored out an otherwise decent class of people for strict monetary and political points. That's disgusting, and not whatever *I* personally think about the issue.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:57 PM) I'm not going to have time to debate this, but I'm just going to drop in an assertion so that you know people don't agree with this...you're both wrong and it's been a long, long time, decades, since you could reasonably classify the media as "Liberal". Lazy, corporatist, motivated solely by money, sure. Are there Liberals in the group? Sure. Are there some liberal shows? Is CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS a markedly liberal network? No, and it's been a long time since you could actually say that, if ever. *yawn*

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) And if he cares about nothing other than getting elected, he's decided that putting his election chances out there on the line while being in favor of treating gay people like human beings would bring him benefit. And if that's the case, I still fully applaud the move and would be thrilled if Mitt Romney would also decide to risk his election chances on that same bold, honorable, decent stand. Wow. Again, the bolded he doesn't give a flying f*** about. There's a reason why he picked today to come out of the closet... because he got his ass kicked every way possible yesterday. He just wrote off about 15% of his constituency. This has nothing to do with "bold, honorable, decent"... NOTHING. In fact, it's the opposite and makes me even sicker about it because he chose when to do this and use the gay community for his cash cow and honorable prop. It should disgust people if they had a backbone to think long enough about it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) If "society treating gay people as human instead of whatever they're treated as otherwise" requires me to be a political prop, I'm totally game and would encourage Mitt Romney and any other politician out there with any sense of decency to use me as a political prop over and over and over again. Except Obama doesn't give one f*** about "society treating gay people as human instead of whatever they're treated as otherwise". Wake up.

You people just got snowjobbed and can't even see it or see why (and it has nothing to do with North Carolina). Enjoy your screwjob by your president... because you just got used and abused for a political prop. But the ends always justify the means... right?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 8, 2012 -> 06:24 PM) He's answered some questions in press conferences before in French after some of those series vs the Canucks. He struggles a bit, but gets it done. Seriously, those people up there are f***ing lunatics.

It's a pity they couldn't have their spectacle in NYC, just like they wanted.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ May 6, 2012 -> 10:19 PM) Yeah, we nearly went broke because of the debt ceiling fight, and not because we've spent the last 40 years spending money on asinine s***. Like $16 trillion to the War on Poverty that didn't eliminate poverty. Keep telling yourself that. No. no.... no.... we didn't tax (the rich) enough. It has nothing to do with spending. Keep telling yourself that. There's no place like home. There's no place like home. There's no place like home...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2012 -> 09:11 PM) I'm picturing this post as written while on a lot of cocaine, writhing around and spouting out words, and then it makes sense.

Ahhh, just in time for the Nobama administration to come in and save the day in his oh so moderate overtones.

Why can't we be more like them?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Spend a few months uninsured and tell me that there's any choice. I have, and you can buy insurance. And besides that, you can get care. To say you can't is a strawman.

The difference is you're free to choose here. But now we don't. Enjoy your social utopia.