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QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:49 PM) I don't think we are headed towards a UK style socialized medicine path. But I do think we are moving towards a system where there will be some basic healthcare coverage available to all Americans. For a huge chunk of the US population, that would be a godsend. For the sake of where this is going, I hope you're right. But I don't think you are. With that said, business is going to do just what SSI and I are saying. Then what? We have to move toward UK/Canada/France/Italy system. There's almost no choice. Like I said, I hope you're right but I can't see how they can only do part of this.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:45 PM) To his defense, which I'm sure you don't accept, Obama did basically say he's not going to force reform through on what's essentially a budget process that should have been completed last year. His budget for 2010 will be a big enough fight that seems to already be starting and I think that's where the change comes. Now the earmarks in this bill are no longer anonymous. For the most part they used to be two years ago. That's progress, no? Of course he's not, Rex. The Democrats delayed the vote on the bill until this year because they knew that Bush would veto it. It was set up 6 months ago that they were going to do just what they did.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:43 PM) Odd why are my relatives purchasing supplemental insurance like crazy over in Ireland if universal health care is so grand. I have had a few relatives put on waiting lists to get procedures that we can get over here real quick. I am a diabetic, and I don't need some governmental overlord deciding that my care is not cost effective because its a chronic condition. And before you say well your company can pay for it, just like it does today. Companies will drop health care the minute the government offers it up for free. Why would they flip that cost if someone else is giving it out. I suggest people spend more time in school learning a skill or a trade, and less time worrying about government handouts. I don't get into it a lot, and I probably should, but the majority of the asshats in our country just don't get it. They just hear "FREE" health care and they want it NOW. They have no idea what the hell they are asking for. Obama: we need to help business curtail the rising costs of health care. Translation: we will partner with you to drop your coverages unless employees want to pay COST for supplemental insurance. Oh, by the way, nevermind the system will be too bogged down to get seen by private health insurance anyway... But Obama cares about the middle class. No he doesn't. He wants the rich to pass everything they "stole" back down the pipe via a tax transfer. THAT's the liberal "trickle down" economics for you.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) This is the problem when the person in charge of building the party and bringing people together and raising money starts to talk about actual policy. Thanks for helping me answer BigSqwert... Dean was an idiot about policy, but he certainly wasn't about putting the grassroots back together on the Democrat side. He deserves a lot of credit for that, that he never really got publically.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:35 PM) I don't get absolutist discussions about the way a lot of policy is done. Not all earmarks are pork. Some are worth having. Should there be a better way to get them through Congress? Absolutely. But you can't expect wholesale change all within 6 weeks. I've been pretty quiet about what we've seen so far, because I don't want to be caught up in spin from either side. I will say that I think Obama has played to the center and his solutions have been fairly reasonable. Lots of liberals think he's too conservative. Lots of conservatives think he's too liberal. So I see this as pretty reasonable so far. There are plenty of things that Obama has done that I'm not terribly comfortable with... but I think he's working hard to both make changes in the way Washington works as well as recreate the air of civility that the DC power keepers lost in the 1990s. Government is a messy dirty business. It takes time to make the changes that we all want. Some steps have been taken, but its only been 6 weeks. Miracles don't happen overnight. Agree on some points. However, my "absolutist" attitude comes from the man's own words. Don't put the stick up your ass and then 6 weeks into it go back on your word. On the "earmarks" he clearly had choices and he chose not to take them. You might not have seen it, but I do agree with his recall of the embryonic research. I gave him credit for that one, and yes, it's quite controversial.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:33 PM) He's an awfully socialistic President if you ask me. You get waaaaaaay too hung up on words and not the point. It doesn't make a damn difference on how smart I think you are, just so you know. Please don't take this one personally - I don't mean it as an "attack". I just see it a lot from you and it makes me feel like you're pretty condescending. Take it FWIW, and I'll move on.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:25 PM) Just go out and call him a socialist so I can tell you how wrong you are. Naw. He's marxist. Although, that's probably closer then "socialist"...

QUOTE (Swishin' Aint Easy @ Mar 9, 2009 -> 12:28 AM) Definitely need a name change. How about...ObamaKnowsBest who were you?

As SS said a ferw months back, it was our wish to get these going, but bring in a lot of different folks then from soxtalk. It's not message boards for soxtalk. The problem we have is no one has the time to go out and get people like this board had. We're going to be looking at this in the near future, most likely.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 11:21 PM) Heaven forbid we ever get universal healthcare. We'll be the last industrialized country to do so. Oh, so everyone does it, so we need to now. No thanks. I don't want to be told when, how, where, and what doctor will see me for whatever. Screw that and so much more. I've said a million time, there is a problem with what we have. Universal health care (read: nationalized health care) is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT the answer.

1 - Health Care 2 - Health Care 3 - Health Care 4 - Health Care 5 - Health Care ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I'll just leave it at that for right now. And yes, I've done a lot of business with France and that's why I picked that country specifically. I do know a little more then the average Joe (the Plumber ) about this one. I just don't care to get into it right now. And "oh oh oh oh oh oh, we don't KNOW what his plan is yet..." what the hell ever. This country is going toward a lot like European politics (forget the parliamentary crap, I just simply mean in terms of policy...)

QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) Wise is not a leadoff hitter or a MLB starter. He is a bad player who should not be starting, let alone leading off. I agree that I'd rather Owens than him in CF, which is really pretty pathetic because Owens in CF is a horrible idea as well. Brian Anderson for CF in 2009. When Ozzie grins, s***'s flying.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:33 PM) this is bad news. Um, yea... DWise is the best we've got for CF. That means we suck. (Seriously). Oh, wait, I guess the pitching and other 8 spots in the lineup could help... but that as a leadoff option and CF? UGH.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:40 PM) Even if he did nothing would happen, Congress would just tell him to f*** off the same they would any president (hence my earmarks = drama queens thread). Yea, I understand. My whole point is he needs to quit being a pretty boy when none of this will change.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:33 PM) Yeah, I don't like how he keeps backing himself into a corner like this. It's like he doesn't understand the concept of subtlety or nuance (but I KNOW he does, he's no dummy). Of course he understands. I think that's why I say he doesn't care.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) my bad. i'm just pissed... AND facebook changed its layout today. wtf is wrong with the world? No prob. I think we're all pretty unamimous on this thread.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:22 PM) i get that you're sad that your guy lost - but give it the f*** up. a majority of the country wanted this guy in office, he's got a huge crisis to deal with, and i think at this point none of us know what better to do - so we've all got to just see what happens. he certainly gives more than a rat's ass about the economy... by the way - please remember i was no big obama fan, so don't use that stupid argument against me. Oh, so today instead of "catastrophe" and all this gloom and doom bulls*** to get his pet bill passed, now things aren't so bad? Why is that? Oh, so we can spend more money to get health care done. Right. Got it. He DOESN'T care... except how this will keep his poll numbers up somehow. And I didn't like McCain, but he wasn't someone who is taking the country as far left as the US can stand. Bit by bit... I hope you all like France's politics. Because here we come.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:16 PM) Right. Obama is out to destroy America. I didn't say that, did I? But you all certainly said that about W. Let's stop playing the bulls*** games and call a spade a spade. Nah, it's ok. Obama wants to make us all "equal". Woot!

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:05 PM) it was mccain who cried out against earmarks and pork on the campaign trail - not obama. and i'm sick of you people who think washington can be changed in a day. how many senators would have voted for this bill WITHOUT the pork? it's about getting SOMETHING done and not quibbling over the bulls***. From Obama's campaign website: Another one: Really, Reddy? Why is it that you people always want to acknowledge everyone else but what comes out of the mouth / information from Obama himself? When are you people going to realize he is not about this "change" that you all wanted? Well, yea, things are changing... he's going as far left as he can force things without getting his pee pee stomped on. That's why he's trying to shove all this s*** down our throats before he loses his Messianic approval ratings. See my sig. It's exactly what is happening. And he doesn't give a rat's ass about the economy. He just wants his s*** done and he doesn't care what it hurts.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 08:42 PM) guys, in case it couldn't get worse, they're considering painting the whole thing............... silver. gag me now. We had a separate thread on this, but I don't think anyone had mentioned the naming rights in it. What a pissy thing all the way around.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) me too me three.

QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) Actually that's not what I said at all. What I really said was, only time will tell whether Obama decides to use signing statements in a more limited way. I like his signing statement on the earmark budget bill... Obama is scared to face anyone on this one.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 08:37 PM) Michael Steele: Abortion is an individual choice... so I choose to ban it for all Talk about the most confusign spin I've read since... well, McCain talked during the election. Hey stupid ass Michael Steele... go f*** yourself on the constutional ban on abortion, and gay marriage, and all the other bats*** crazy ultra right wing crap. Now, if you want to ban that stuff at the federal level and make it a states rights issue, then more power to you... but that is not his intent, and I know it. I am against the federalization of these laws. They are state issues. Period.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 08:00 PM) I agree with that fully, they just don't want to call each other out like that in public (I forgot to mention that both parties do this an equal amount). So their b****ing just sounds disingenuous. I agree. However, Obama is a dumbass of the first degree when Obama made that a focal point and then turned right around and signed the bill, AND THEN on top of that, "when earmarks are done the right way... blah blah blah". Some change. That was just a pure lie. PURE lie. That is indefensible. Kind of like he won't have lobbiests in his administration. When are people going to learn that no one in Washington is any different? All they want is their own power. And that's both parties.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 07:47 PM) from jon stewarts show last night through a george carlin stand up line... "how come when its your stuff its sh*t but when its my sh*t is stuff" Well, I just said if it's my stuff it's s*** too, so I'm at least consistant. lf, yea, I hear you, and it's not like that would balance the budget, but my problem is that earmarks = buying of votes = pure corruption.