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Oh my. I'm shocked. :rolly

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 02:54 PM) DOES ANYONE IN THIS THREAD SPEAK ENGLISH??? UNA CERVEZA POR FAVOR Hell, that *IS* English here now.

LMAO! I got our monthly statements template for November yesterday, and on it was a "new" line for Howard Stern SVOD. I was like, OH NO...

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) I guess... you're acting like an ass lately. Steff, seriously, what's the point of this? This is a passionate issue, and I personally think he's right. Bush can't do ANYTHING without a full assult being made of his every move. The truth of the matter is, this started with the Clinton White House when the Iraq 1998 version was nothing but a "wag-the-dog" scenario... it goes both ways. And then for you to make a comment about this personal against YAS is wrong.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 02:26 PM) \ Best pinball game EVER!!! Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddd... Now just think - if we present valued all the money we put in that damn thing, how close we'd be to millionaires we'd be by now...

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 02:20 PM) A defintae rock and a hard place. Which is why Cheney and Rummy were stuck playing hide the Chalabi last week. Despite the fact that the guy swindled us on so many fronts, dealing with him is still seen as better than the unthinkable; that we were the ones to tip 'Free Iraq' toward theocracy. I noticed that too. It was kind of like - "we know you're the devil, but you're not THE devil, so (cough cough) get the hell back in here so we can do "buiiiissssssssssnesssssss." :rolly

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 02:12 PM) It will take more than a message. The GOP Radio Network will destroy any message that is genuine. I don't know how to separate the marketing from the message. Politics of ideas is dead, politics of marketing hype, is here. If you vote GOP, you can smugly high five Rush, Hannity, et. al. and feel smarter than the rest. What I really think the Dems need is a hero. An icon. Sadly, there are none currently. I think they are waiting for the Senator from Illinois, but that is a very risky strategy. I think you're wrong. I think if a DEMOCRAT comes to the table who is mainstream, fiscally conservative, and has a message that resonates on the war on terror, and MOST IMPORTANTLY has the track record to back it up, the GOP radio network becomes useless at that point. Hillary pretending to be all of the things mentioned above will get smeared, because she doesn't have the track record to back it up... we all know that she's running to her and Bill can have all the power back again. This is much like baby GW running to finish Daddy's agenda 8 years before. Nepotism sucks.

Yea, and then the f***ers came back at midnight and voted for the cuts anyway. And they cut all the things that hurt the little people. IMAGINE THAT. I guarantee you that if the Democrats EVER get off their ass and get a message besides "we ain't Bush" they would win in a f***ing LANDSLIDE right now.

:puke This thread sucks.

What a craptacular thread this has turned into...

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 01:43 PM) If we were using their country as a magnet for terrorists to come and shoot at us, should they be happy? If the theory that all the terorrists are content to shoot at us in Iraq, (which just doesn't make sense to me), aren't we being unfair to Iraq? Yes and no. It's a part of a bigger picture, or fantasy, if you ask me. The bigger piece of this was to "plant democracy" in the middle east. Really, im my opinion, Iraq was nothing but an excuse to get 180,000 US soldiers in the Middle East so that we could set up (more) covert operations to infiltrate Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordon, and Iran. We all know that the policies of this country mandates that we "control" the Middle East for the next 50 years, until we run them out of oil, then we run from there faster then we came in. I think, as alluded to above, the Iraq war was nothing but a platform for this. I also think that there's more going on over there then the media hounds let on. And that's the part I keep trying to say here. Iraq is bigger then Iraq - and to think otherwise is too short sighted, IMO... which is why it's difficult to pull the guys and gals of our military out right now.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) Kap, here is one thing I am very disappointed in President Bush. I cannot remember an administration that smears people faster who disagree. Reagan was a master at not doing that, yet always getting his way. Bush Sr. was decent at it, Clinton somewhere in between. But this administration reacts like a rapid dog as soon as anyone dares to disagree. His first month in office led me to believe he would be one of the greatest at building bridges, but it hasn't worked out that way. I can't imagine what he would have done if the Dems had control of either house. That I disagree with 100% - on only one aspect. Clinton did it just as bad as Bush does now. Other then that, I agree... but another part of it is the political climate is so poisoned now. Insert (Republican) here... vs. insert (Democrat) here... is SO damn poisoned. The smear from both sides is so repugnant. That's why I keep posting over and over and over - we see countless threads and posts around here about GWB is this and this and this and this and this (all negative)... but for every negative article about GWB there should be one about Democrats, because they are just as bad. Our government is rotten at the core. The power grabs and glimmer of the spotlight is too much for these narrow-minded asshats. The United States/Roman Empire anyone?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) In a democracy, if that is who they vote in, don't we have to accept that? And the point that some proponents of withdrawing are making is the criminals are there because we are there. Remember even the pro-war folks claim that because we are there, the terrorists aren't attacking here? I love this irony. Hawk " we are winning the war on terror by engaging the enemy in Iraq. They will not come to America while we are in Iraq. Dove "so Iraq would be better off if we were gone and the terrorists left to battle us in another area. We are there to help Iraq, right?!" It seems as if we are using Iraq as a shooting range and US military personnel as targets. I believe we need to have serious dialog with the goal being getting out by the end of 2006. That has got to be better than a "stay until whenever plan". Plan your work, work your plan. Failure to plan your work, is preparing for failure. Prior planning prevents piss poor performance. I agree with the fact that basically the current plan is to draw the "Terrorists" into Iraq and fight them there. It's all but said. And to tell you the truth, that's probably what needs to happen, at least in the short order... until they get their army in gear - which is closer to happening then it was 6 months ago by all accounts. Again, from some of the rhetoric that I have seen here - 80-90% of the Iraqi's "hate us and don't want us there"... where do people get this? I just do not hear that from people that have been over there for extended periods of time.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 07:39 AM) When I watched Bush field questions on the Plame affair a year or so ago, and heard him say essentially that there was going to be an investigation, and we had to let it run its course, but that he wouldn’t have anyone working in the White House who broke the law about this – I can remember thinking - If he were a man of any spine and honesty, all he would have ever had to do was call in his chief of staff, and tell him he wanted the names of anyone in his administration who was involved on his desk by the end of the day. Period. Then they could have decided who was going to have to fall on their swords, kick them to the curb, and be done with it. But no. Don’t they ever learn? How stupid do they think we are? I hate that I have no respect for my President. And don't even get me started on his let's ammend the Constitution so my marriage to Laura will be safe from all those awful queers. (which even HE doesn't believe) One issue, if you've read some of my thoughts, that I agree with you 100% on is the "gay marriage" amendment. I become incensed that our government has to be involved in this. Truthfully, I hate it that our government is involved in about 90% of what they are involved in. I'm definitely a "people's rights" kind of person. For property, marriage, taxes, etc. I know that we have to have some support from our government... but certainly not the bloated cow that it is now. I see last night that they had a midnight vote - you know - the ones that will get their ass in trouble if they have it in the middle of the afternoon - ... (f***ers) ... they voted to carve out education, health care, etc. But they can pass the biggest pork bill two months ago in HISTORY on the highway bill. This is the kind of stuff that sends me into orbit. Now MY costs are going to go up because they didn't have the restraint in so many other areas where they needed to, and the thing is I can do NOTHING about it... because MY representative doesn't matter. It's the rotten core of the whole little corruption center we like to call Washington, DC.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 01:25 PM) Well the attack dogs are out, which is very sad. Honest debate should be encouraged. I don't see where leaving soon is a defeat. Isn't Sadaam removed from power? I keep seeing him in a court room, not commanding. Maybe it's a defeat to military suppliers who are hoping for a multi-year involvement to boost the bottom line. Until we say, what will it take to get out? And honestly answer that, why is the default a presumed defeat? Because now that we're there, all the extremeists are there. If we leave, the power vacuum is such that you will have a United Islamist State of Iraq, with their new best friends Iran. And that CANNOT happen.

To me, it's all about the way you do this. And this guy was pretty genuine, and heartfelt. This wasn't some pandering bull s*** from John Kerry running in a presidential campaign. This was a true call to look at what's going on here, and probably one of the first ones that is not some dickhead hanging off the camera teat. The problem now is, we can't leave. If we leave now, we lose. Period. So what do we do?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 12:56 AM) First of all...if the information was leaked to Woodward first...it's still an illegal leak no matter who did it. And second...thus far no one has come out in Washington who is actually able to say that they knew Plame was a CIA agent before the White House began spreading that she was (scroll down at this link just over 1/2 of the way). Ok, I read it. And I have also heard an interview with at least one person who said that he knew and he would testify to that fact. A serious question: Why is there a document for EVERYTHING that 100% discredits ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING George W. Bush ever does? Don't you think that's a little over the top? I could probably find an article, if I wanted to spend the time, that would counter-counterpoint every single claim (falsehood) on the document you refer to here. When does it stop? Again, for the 1,000th time in the last week (or so it seems), the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 12:58 AM) Actually...according to UNSCOM, they were able to account for well over 95% of Saddam's original weapons program during those years of investigation. Virtually all were destroyed, by the Iraqis, after GW1, a majority of the remainder was destroyed by UNSCOM, and the last shards died in Operation Rommel. See? It was all done by Clinton.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) You think you can sneak the words “light and fruity” and my boy Rex’s name into the same sentence and skate free? Buster, you’d best be watching your back. Some big, bad butch is gonna sneak up and go *BAM* upside your head. Just for the record, I’m a Coca-Cola snob. I just love that stuff. But anymore I usually just drink sparkling water flavored with some juice concentrate, bitters, and a big hunk of lime.

Why is it that quite a few people in Washington knew she was a CIA agent BEFORE the information was "leaked", and these people are willing to testify UNDER OATH about that fact? Just curious.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) We have record household moves scheduled for the month of December. Up over 13% from last year interstate and 9% intrastate. Last month was the largest ever...?? "The Commerce Department reported Thursday that construction of new homes and apartments fell by 5.6 percent last month, the biggest decline in seven months. Applications for new building permits, a good sign of future activity, fell by 6.7 percent, the biggest decline in six years." Maybe August was ...? I might have my months mixed up, but we are falling back from all time highs, was my point.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:30 PM) Hey, I agree I'd like to know the substance of the docs too. When you say "the guy had weapons," it's good to remember that HAD is the operative word. As for where they went, a lot of them went nowhere. There is a lot of documentation that the caches of weapons that were logged, labled, and locked up the first time inspectors came around in the early 90s were still there, with seals unbroken, when the inspections resumed. Between what was being accounted for in by the inspectors and what had been knocked out in the 1998 bombings, the whereabouts of the bulk of the weapons in the country were known. I'm sorry, FlaSoxx, that wasn't directed at you personally, but at some of the other folks here. So he had weapons, they were sealed, etc. And when the inspectors left, and did their thing, he was just going to sit there and be good and never, ever use them again? *sigh* But the UN would be there watching his every move, while they were getting the money in the oil for food program. I'm not pretending to be totally ignorant here, but the truth is somewhere in the middle. That's all I'm trying to say. The Dems are telling too loudly about this HE LIED thing to be totally true.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) However.. "... reflected a 3.7 percent drop in single-family building and an even bigger 11.7 percent decline in multifamily construction. By region, construction starts were down 10.8 percent in the West, 10.5 percent in the Midwest, 7.5 percent in the Northeast and 0.5 percent in the South. That's a strong decline. Two things factor into that. One, it's getting ready to be winter. Two, yes, the rates are going up, but the month before was the largest EVER construction starts. So it's all relative. The market's still strong. It's not on fire like it was just a few months ago, but it's still strong.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 03:15 AM) When does your guys' winter break begin? I have tickets for the Preds on the 21st -- not exactly an elite game, but a divisional 'rival' nonetheless. I actually found two seats for the game on the 23rd against Detroit -- apparently they haven't sold out yet. Let me know, I'm sure even if they do sell that game out before we grab tix, we could find some on StubHub or whatever. YO YO YO... I'LL GO! The PREDS! HELLOOOOO! Anyone home?

Man. I just want 200K to pay EVERYTHING off. Is that too much to ask?