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In the 90s I think the Sox had the best record in MLB; that may have extended well into the naughts.

He can hit. He strikes out some, but not an obscene amount, and he walks pretty well. He was dominating Birmingham when everyone else was floundering. I mentioned him in one these threads in early April and the response I received (I think from one of the Future Sox guys)) was that he's bad defensively...I don't know if that's improved. But let him play some DH. If he can hit AA he can probably hit AAA; so just as soon call him up at some point.

McCann, yes. Colome is excellent but they traded 4 years of so far a 1.4 WAR catcher for 2 years of Colome's .3 WAR (and I concede that Colome is a lot better and certainly more valuable to this team than his WAR suggests). But then there are Nova, Alonso, Santana, 2 of whom have already been DFAd and a third who would have been had the Sox any kind of staff.. Over the years it's probably 4 bad for 1 good (2016 alone had probably 9 bad for 0 good). And a lot of these moves just are just no effort like the Nova and Shields trades...some team peddles a washed up veteran for a seemingly reasonable not too high price and Hahn bites.

And that's the problem. Things consistently don't work out with Hahn's veterans. It didn't really matter this year, I suppose (although having Cron and Jordan Lyles instead of Alonso and Santana certainly could have the Sox in a more interesting position). If this rebuild succeeds, there will be a time in the near future (1 or 2 years) where the Sox will need 3 or 4 veterans in key spots to round out the roster. I just don't believe that at that time Hahn will suddenly turn it on and make serious baseball moves after years of silliness.

The Sox decided to rebuild within 6 weeks of Shields' acquisition. Shields may been the tipping point, but only to the extent that it lifted the fog around the FO that they could compete with that roster. It's really unfortunate that Hahn scorched the earth in June 2016 with the Shields trade, drafting a reliever he would rush into the majors, rushing up Fulmer, etc.

I'll get over it when either the Sox win the AL pennant or Hahn takes a hike.

Currently pitching well with the Indians AA Akron Wood Ducks. Why did they waive him anyway? There are older and worse pitchers on Charlotte. And this org. is so light in pitching.

They have Leury to play SS and Rodon to play backup. If Moncada is out, then they'll have to bring up somebody. They have slap hitters on the roster.

I agree with the OP. Leury can handle SS. Escobar - good lord.

Colome's a good player; they just a high price for him. So far, it's 1.5 WAR and 4 years of control sent away for incoming .2 WAR and 2 years of control. If Narvaez sustains, he would have been a core piece (which basically stands at 4 right now). Colome is not.

Well there's the problem: they aren't winning with their best players either and haven't in over a decade. then again, Seattle got a .852 OPS catcher with 11 homers out of trading Colome.

Sox have to roll double 6s for Rodon, Kopech and Dunning to all hit. But that has a better chance of happening than Rick Hahn making a value trade for a veteran pitcher that doesn't burn the Sox on one end, if not both. As for Jay, I don't get the point, but I suppose they could flip him if things go well.

There's no reason to believe that Colome will be good in perpetuity. Sell high and trade him.

This staff is not for want of trying. Well in the loose sense of trying - they did something. Rick Hahn traded for Nova and Baneulos. He signed Santana. This staff is a product of Hahn and his team's eye for veteran talent. It's as bad as 2016 signings, but that team of course had Sale and Quintana.

In terms of Sox managers in the JR era, I would probably rank him 4th behind LaRussa, Torborg and Guillen. Maybe behind Manuel. That's not to say he's good, but as long as he lays off the bunting, I've seen worse. And in terms of current White Sox staff, I see Cooper, Hahn, Haber and perhaps Hostetler (TBD) as bigger anchors. And KW if he's still intimately involved.

He didn't have them in January as a top 10, so I wouldn't think he would now.

Well are the ample teams making ample offers? If so, trade him.

I'm mildly surprised, and frankly pleased, that we haven't heard about Alonso's great clubhouse presence and his righteous service as a role-model to young players.

My guess is that part of Hahn's case to JR for the "friends and family" approach is that they were still getting good players even if Machado didn't sign. To that end, the hope was that Alonso would have a good year and that they would play him enough so that his option would vest. He could be used next year as a bridge between Abreu (whom I don't think they wanted to extend; otherwise, he would be extended) and Collins or whomever. That way they wouldn't have to worry about trading for or signing a 1B next year. But plans change, and no way do they let that option vest off of this performance. By playing Alonso every day, he couldn't be traded even if he had a good year because the acquiring team would be on the hook for the option. The Sox may be willing to overpay him because their payroll is small anyway - but it would be a problem for a contender. If the plans were to flip him, they would have played him sparingly so that an acquiring team would be able to use him during the last 2 months.

Hahn won’t sign any quality real free agents. But what he will do is trade for veterans, primarily those with one-two years left until free agency who had fluke years. That’s what he did the last time, he has no sense that it failed so miserably ( after all he was rewarded for that failure) so will likely do it again. In fact, he did a taste of that last offseason. He’ll only trade second-tier prospects but they will suddenly blossom into first tier once they get on another team

I hope it does paralyze them and they stop making trades for veterans. They got virtually nothing from those vets and overpaid for each. They are exceptionally bad at it. They weren't getting a Sale no matter what had happened or happens, unless they got exceptionally lucky. But with an infield of Anderson, Tatis, Moncada, Semien, and Escobar, they could have traded for another OF or 2 and they could have still had Avi. Montas and Bassit are viable ML starters. BTW, the Eaton and Peavy trades were fantastic. Samardzija and Frazier trades were not. But they followed the age old mantra: when something works, stop doing it. When something fails, keep doing it.

So now we get to see Jon Jay, the product of a Rick Hahn contrivance....easier to put on a clown show than to do serious GM work. And, indeed, Hahn payed a high price for Colome. Narvaez has a 1.2 WAR (and multiple years of control) v. .3 for Colome. Narvaez is also #7 in pitch framing (McCann is far down on the list). In fact, a couple of other Rick Hahn cast-offs are well ahead of McCann in framing.

You could add Semien, Tatis, Escobar, Montas, Bassit, Devenski had they not traded for veterans from 2011- Spring 2016. . In fact, I'd say they could be WC contenders right now.

Day 3 is my favorite day to follow. Just turn it on in the background while I'm doing work and hear a bunch of "Pittsburgh Pirates select number 574921, redraft ..." Occasionally a name pops up that I'm familiar with and I listen closely to the Sox pick.

Leury/Tilson/Cordell won't cut it on a contender. They won't cause harm necessarily so you may be able to live with them. Bad starting pitching does cause harm and you can't contend without 5 good starters. The Sox have 1, with another 1 or 2 passable half the time. The also lack real impact bullpen arms...most of these guys can pitch a clean inning against the Royals, but dousing a rally against the Astros or Twins is another question.