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What they didn't need to so was to trade him for an average closer on a 2 year deal.

Yes, he's negotiated a bunch, but, not always very well. $4 million for Jay, a year after earning $3 million last year and stinking it up on the field, e.g. Look at the gaggle of deals from 2016. And obviously acquiring using Manny's friends as part of the negotiation had , at best, no effect on the negotiation (harmful effect on the team, however).

Yep. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2017/08/15/white-sox-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-rebuild/570393001/

I have no feel for Call one way or the other, but this "trade" should have been a pure salary dump for an org. guy, not a prospect.....and the basic salary dump is beyond the capabilities of this FO.

I can't lament not signing this guy. His best use is as a utility player; I think Yolmer would be a good player if used as such and properly platoone. Leury can play every position except for pitcher and catcher.

36 year old Ervin Santana I would expect no less from this front office.

Jay was an awful signing. OPS below .680 and they gave him a 33% raise despite a terrible year. His OBP needs to be. 360+ to have value.

Fine - Sale Eaton and Q were here before the rebuild. That means the rebuild inherited Moncada, Cease, Jiminez, Kopech, and others. And Abreu for good measure. Luhnow had his head start, and Hahn had his. You (Hahn) can't have it both ways. This either year 3 or it's year 7....but be consistent with comparisons. It's simply not true that the successful modern rebuild takes 5 years. It doesn't. Let me ask you this - where would this rebuild be with only Hahn's drafting and his secondary trades (which have been, overall, poor)? I

I don't know if it's the worst, but it's pretty bad. I think the team is worse off, although hopefully improvement in your players will mitigate it in the final record. In particular, I think giving up on a young catcher, who could actually hit, after 2 years may turn out to be a mistake.

Not wrong -check when Luhnow, Theo and the Brewers GM arrived. But this is the typical analysis of the Hahn apologist. They don't count Hahn's losing years before he started "the rebuild" but they do count the losing seasons of other teams before they brought in the new GM to fix it.

Luhnow built the Astros in 3 seasons (some disposal work had occurred before he arrived, but not that much). The Brewers rebuilt in 2. It took Theo 3. Now does Hahn get deference to be like the Royals and Pirates?

Hopefully, they gave Hahn at opt out so that he can move to SD. He's certainly done a lot to help the Padres while not working for them.

He's already earned a PhD from that place

Yes Preller mitigated his bad 2014-5 moves a lot more productively than Hahn mitigated his bad moves from 2014-16... Preller received, obviously, a big assist from Hahn.

And that is another example of why this FO has no business chasing 2nd tier FAs. They are really bad at the evaluation part of it. Slam-dunks only.

I understand why JR doesn't fire KW (don't agree, but understand). But why in the world does KW put up with Hahn?

The best to you. I don't know you, except that you are an A+ poster and will be missed.

He employs Hahn. He was out there making some sorry excuse for why they couldn't go higher. If he wasn't a part of this, he put himself into it.

He had a 6.49 ERA, a 1.5 WHIP and averaged 4.4 strikeouts the year before....and Hahn paid him $1.5 million.....

Well whose record did the owner break? His own - he's been owner for the last 40 years. It's called creating your own reality. I'm not so sure he's cheap...the front office personnel are just really bad investors. They'd rather spend Machado money on 5 stiffs instead of 1 guy who can actually play.

2016 alone (and this doesn't include every signing) when the Sox were "going for it": Austin Jackson $5 million Navarro $4 million Latos $3 million Avila $2.5 million Albers $2 million Rollins $2 million Turner $1.5 million Total: $20 million And for the coup de grace, add $5 million for Shields.

None of the above (except for Harper).

That's true. And even if Jiminez, Kopech, Moncada, Anderson and a few others develop as expected, if they don't draft and develop better than they have, it won't last long. But there is a chance the team could be decidedly better this year if Moncada, Anderson, Engel, Lopez, and Giolito take big jumps, which they all could.

I'd feel better about the move of Moncada to 3b if they also announced that Anderson was taking reps at catcher.

Most of the division looks like the Sox, and while the Sox farm looks pretty good now, the Sox aren't exactly in the upper tier of talent evaluation and development. IN one sense the Indians' window is closing...but it's also true that they have far more productive young players on their major league team than the Sox do.