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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 21, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) How is Loney hapless??? He hit .280 in 300+ AB last year and is considered an above average IB. That is not a bad back-up to have. He had a .680 OPS last year....he doesn't walk and has no power. Oh and it was a mighty .713 against RH pitching. One of those guys in camp can deliver that, if properly platooned. As for his D, that's not happening anyway...Laroche played good D, how often was he on he field? I heard the same stuff when we dumped Semien, Bassit and Phegley for the Shark. They were "Fringe prospects"...so fringe they ended up being better than numerous Sox starters and combined for c. 4.8 WAR. Of course we then went and traded for a .8 WAR second basemen, so afraid the Sox are of a young player who wasn't a high draft choice..

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 20, 2016 -> 11:28 PM) You're obsession with bad/fringe prospects knows no end. Good gracious,you're bringing out your "we need proven veterans and I hate young players" diatribe for the hapless Loney? LOL. Go get 'em, big guy.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Mar 20, 2016 -> 07:09 PM) Article also noted that White Sox may explore James Loney as a possible replacement since he is a DH/IB The Sox just got the break of the decade with Laroche retiring. Trading for Loney, who is like the BAD Laroche, would be absolutely mad. Loney is awful. They can fill the spot in-house. There are enough candidates...Davidson/Coats/Sands---one of those guys should be able to hold up.k And some guys should be taking balls at 1B...not sure why they haven't been all along.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) "We lost a leader in Drake LaRoche " -Adam Eaton on the Score What a joke. I don't even want to root for these guys anymore. Drake is at home with his Dad. Eaton makes it sound like he died from cancer You mean Eaton is a clown? Who could have known?

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) It wouldn't be the worst thing if this all ended with LaRoche retired, KW sent packing, and $13M for Hahn & Co. to spend on someone else. That scenario would be 3/3. While I agree with the Sox position on this, it's another Williams dog and pony show. He shouldn't have even been involved in this. He won't let people do their jobs. But Robin was hired to be his puppet manager...maybe it worked out well as now Williams is the heavy and the clubhouse may be okay. The place should be cleaned out after last year, if not before, but Williams needs to move along.

This is so stupid. I don't care what agreement they made. Players obviously didn't like it, so the agreement needs to be augmented.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Boston fans asking for Sale in return in 3...2...1... They get nothing in return

ST record is utterly meaningless. Last year, the ST record was bad...but the team and manager seemed bored with ST, so they probably didn't get the benefit out of it they should have. This year, there should be a lot to keep them busy.

Big signing here. Last hole, and it was gaping, plugged: OF defense. It should be acceptable most nights.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 7, 2016 -> 07:09 AM) I'd much rather give LaRoche six weeks against RHP before writing him off, especially when the alternative is Garcia. I get Adam was terrible last year, but at least he's put up good offensive seasons before and as recently as 2014. The same can't be said for Avi and I'm not sure why some posters are eager to give him another 600 PAs in 2016. He needs to either force playing time or be the go-to guy once LaRoche/Melky fail or get hurt. He definitely should not be handed a starting job. Latest for Laroche was the first half of 2014. And he did nothing last year. No wants to give Avi 600 at bats, but he also isn't past his prime. Laroche on the bench with Avi/Melky leaves us without a late inning defensive outfielder. It's essentially 2 DHs. Now without Laroche one of these guys is going to have to learn to play some first. And of course they're going to have to do some intelligent platooning to maximize this roster

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 6, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) While Eaton's shoulder is recovering, I would much rather see May in CF over Fields, Sands or Shuck. May is a legit prospect and there's nothing wrong with him getting some extra playing time early in ST. Agree

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Mar 4, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) Shiiiiiit that means Turner was relying on the sieve defense. Risky business. Not if they were ground balls. hope to see more ground balls. Keeps the Pitch counts down

Neither helps the OF defense a lick. 20 homers out of Cargo would be about par for the course. Pay a 40 homer price (probably a 50 homer price) and get 20 with bad defense.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Mar 4, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) Is John Danks for sure their 5th starter? I know it's early but if he continues to struggle & either Turner or Johnson step up, it seems stupid to let Danks round out the rotation. They've kept him there this long with less than exemplary results; don't see any reason why they'd change.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 08:52 PM) When the Sox signed Jimmy Rollins it was to be the starting SS. I agree. They use the minor-league contract so that they have an out in case he has absolutely nothing left, which is possible considering his age. But if he can play acceptably he's the man,for the last decade of this organization.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 05:18 PM) Eh there kind of is considering there is no one else that guarantees us that they will play at least ML average level defense and hitting. Unfortunately. And that's my fundamental disagreement with the FO, field staff, and most on this board: if the vet can't play at least average (esp a 38 year old), play the young guy if there's one available. An exception might be made if it's your only hole, but it isn't.

Everyone know he's great in the clubhouse. But can he play SS at at least a ML average level (defense and hitting)? If not, there's not point in having him here.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 04:55 PM) That's a poor standard. Can't argue with that. I just don't think he deserves the beat down, considering the other offensive (and defensive) luminaries on this team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) And if you want to win, what kind of strategy is selling high? Should the Sox trade Sale, Abreu, Quintana? How will their trade value be any higher? Unless you like perpetual rebuilds, you build around good players. Eaton is a good player. So was Samardzija. Sure messed up the Cubs, didn't it. And the Sox sure showed them when they bought high on Samardzija. Selling high doesn't mean you sell every good player you have. But this team with its ongoing deficiencies needs to do some high-selling to get square, imo. Can't keep throwing ML Ready prospects at every mediocre veteran available. Some they threw at Oak last year are better players than the additions they made this year.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Mar 2, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) Where is this coming from??? Everybody, PLEASE STOP SAYING THIS. 6.0% walk rate last year. Sox as a team, 6.7%. MLB position players, 7.8%. 101st out of 141 qualified hitters in walk rate. By what standard are we honestly assessing that "Avi take walks?" By the standard that he had a higher walk rate than every starter except for Laroche and Eaton. It was the bench that pulled up the team walk rate. But indeed, when his rate is one of the starters' highest, that explains a lot.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 24, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) If you take BP seriously, they tell you Tim Anderson is never going to be a major league SS. The people doing the White Sox position player write ups this year were a bit cranky. They loved the pitchers, except not so much for Rodon. They did call Quintana perhaps the greatest 6 year minor league free agent signing of all time. They need to have a talk with their ex pat Law who says he could play major league SS right now defensively, if he hit 8th or 9th and the Sox basically gave up on his plate discipline ever developing.

I certainly would wait. But the longer you wait the higher the price (if he produces, which he should do). Samardzija was a fly ball pitcher so I never understood the fit other than he was perceived as a grinder. Although he disappointed, he actually produced his normal WAR, with his career year of 2014, which the Sox bought off of, the aberration.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Mar 1, 2016 -> 05:53 PM) You would have rather traded Eaton than Thompson? Is that a joke? If Thompson is such a sure thing, then why don't the Dodgers play him or trade him for a piece they could use? I'll never understand why you hate Eaton so much yet love Avi so much. It makes no sense. I want to trade Eaton because he would bring far more in trade than Thompson (esp off of a career year). Also, Thompson would be a competent replacement (for sure he can handle it defensively) and would have addressed a big need: defense. I don't want to dump Avi because we would get zero for him. I don't hate Eaton nor love Avi. Trading only players you hate is "selling low", a philosophy I consistently reject. Why don't the Dodgers play him or trade him? Maybe they don't think that baseball ends in 2017 like you and KW do. Otherwise, I have no idea what their plans are for him. Let me ask you: Why did the Dodgers take Thompson/Montas/Johnson instead of Frazier??????? I didn't like out 73 win team making short term deals 2 years ago and I don't like this 76 win team (which, with pythag 72, may have been worse than the 73 win team) doing it either. If this were a legit 80-82 win team and then you make those deals? Yes it makes sense (the Frazier deal would; the Samardizja trade was inane on all levels).

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 1, 2016 -> 05:36 PM) Avi Garcia has a completely different hitting profile than Josh Donaldson and he's unlikely to take another big step forward unless he finally learns some plate discipline (which is unlikely IMO). You may be right, but I hear that about every young player the Sox have when they don't produce big as rookies (and sometimes even when they do - Trayce "fourth outfielder" Thompson, e.g.).

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 1, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) Lawrie > Sanchez and trading Eaton would have been a terrible idea. Lawrie was a .6 WAR player; I think there's a reasonable chance Sanchez could well exceed that. But of course that's the crux of my disagreement with the philosophy of people on this board and the Sox FO. I'll take the chance with the young player over the proven veteran mediocrity. I had no objection to Lawrie though -the price was modest. Hopefully he'll do better.