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QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 11, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) Sox should be aiming at the division. Wild Card is looking so much tougher and even though they're out 7 games Cleveland has really cooled off. With that said I don't even know who they would sell off that would bring any value besides the core guys. Might as well stand pat. I agree that the division is at least as attainable as the wild card.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 06:38 PM) Lastly, will the Sox make any moves before the deadline? I for one am not willing to accept Jackson & Morneau coming back as their "pickups". I think they could use another bat on top of that & at least one pen arm. The Sox are better than last year; but last year, they weren't as good as theirrecord. they could buy and add maybe 2-3 wins; wouldn't be enough especially considering the other teams will buy. But as others have pointed out, he likely won't buy a pure rent, so he can then explain to us that we are merely in year 2, and that this is all part of his 3 year window.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 09:12 PM) And the Cubs...what an embarrassment of riches, between Gleyber Torres and Eloy Jimenez...talk about bat speed and hand-eye coordination. Torres - $2.8 million signing bonus Jiminez - $2.8 million dollar bonus Bonifacio - $3 million salary. Beckham - $2 million salary And we wonder why?.......

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 07:16 PM) That Charlotte roster is something else... As best I can tell it's 4 prospects, and the rest organizational minor leaguers. The entire staff consists of org. guys, except perhaps a couple of bullpen guys who are closing in on org. status. Telvin Nash with the Dash is a strange situation. 3rd round pick, released by a couple of teams; rarely has had an OPS below .800 in any minor league level. Walks a lot with decent power. BUT....he strikes out in 41% of his at bats.

Anderson is going to have to take more walks for him to be a consistently excellent hitter. No question. Hopefully that will come. But I see no reason to move him out of the 1 hole now. He's comfortable there, he's developing. I don't see the issue.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) My guess is if they're trading for anyone of substance, he'll not just be a rental. This doesn't include bullpen help, thou. Probably true. They'll go for a 1.5 -2.5 year guy or a pay down a bad contract with extra prospects. It will be a veteran at or past his prime. We likely have at least another year of Rick Hahn's dog and pony show.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) The White Sox have a golden opportunity to tease everyone with another series win. However, they lose a series at home vs a horrible Atlanta team. This team is nothing more than an 82 win team. That will NOT be enough to win that second wildcard spot. I would say sell, sell, sell and either start prepping for 2017 and beyond. However, we all know what will happen. Hahn and KW will with stand pat and hope to catch lightning in a bottle ( their famous approach), OR they will sell off three or four of our best prospects for an impact bat. The sad thing is, I think it will be the ladder AND they will STILL miss the playoffs. That's how sad our organization is. Yep.

And some clowning from the usual candidates to round things out today. Nice.

Regardless of the stadium lease, the Sox still have a bigger budget than everyone but Detroit. It's how they use their money that's the problem. Hahn's strength is numbers and contracts. He's way over his head in his current job.

Peter with a bomb. He's hitting well.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) I can't wait until Avi never wears a Sox jersey again. Why isn't Saladino DHing right now again? Good question

We could get a mediocre reliever easily. Just offer Saladino or Sanchez and he's ours. Not to get people too excited, but the Brewers have a couple of guys in their 30s who could be ours. Of course, that's the last thing a sensible organization would do....

Avi At DH again; won't even give him a day off. Saladino has as many homers in 40% of the at bats.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 10:08 AM) Yea, Robertson isn't that good, but the Cubs could use him in their shoddy bullpen. I'd trade Robertson for Schwarber hoping he can DH and platoon at first base next year. That would be the gift of all gifts.

Is Delmonico hurt? I notice he hasn't played in 2 weeks. Charlotte is mostly AAAA players these days. Peter seems to be adapting to AAA pretty well. Engel is getting things together in Birmingham as well. Luis Martinez has been solid his last 4 games in Kanny.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 10:32 PM) What kind of package for Quintana and Frazier? Quintana - 2As and a B; or an A and 2/3 Bs. Plus a couple of lagniappe low level guys. Prob not enough Frazier - B and a C

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) They haven't been moving "their better prospects". They have been moving second and third tier guys. Tim Anderson is here. Carlos Rodon is here. Tyler Saladino is here. Carson Fulmer is still in the system. Steven Adams is still in the system. Yes, Hahn saved his scant few A prospects, just like any decent organization would. He hasn't traded for A level veteran talent either. But he's sent away a lot of Bs. And he has far fewer Bs than other orgs. Far fewer. And yes, I know yall know how I feel. Yall post the same trade ideas, and I post the same objections and suggest saving the Sox prospects. There is no trade of which you can conceive that will make the Sox legitimate world series contenders. No gaggle of Brewers or Cargo will put this team into the World Series. The Sox budget is competitive...IF you have a core of young talent. The Sox don't have near enough to take starting jobs; and another effect of trading the Bs, is that Hahn squanders some of his budget on utility infielders and AAAA pitchers, when your B prospects could take those spots.

My requisite post The Sox will never get anywhere if they keep moving their better prospects for 1-2 year veterans who have reached peak. Yes, it will meet the Williams/Hahn mythical "3 (now 2) year window" and it obviously would excite fans. But the Sox won't win. Some teams can do this sort of thing...those with stocked farms. The Sox system is thin, including, despite claims to the contrary, pitching. Looking for a catcher is particularly bad idea, as the marginal value of a catcher upgrade isn't as great as, say, the marginal value of a hitter, but the cost would be much higher.

Montas still there; Happ in the 30s. What does BA know? Just read the Rick Hahn thread...several posts in there detailing the meteoric rise in the quality of the organization.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) How does a 1 year, $3 million signing qualify as one of the worst? I mean I get the guy sucked at all, but it had so little impact on the franchise he was released long before the end of the season. I would agree that it wasn't one of his worst moves. But wasting $3 million for no reason has an opportunity cost..that money could put elsewhere...the organization, certain bonuses, for example.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) Everyone knows there is a hangover effect from playing at Coors. Combine that with the fact that most hitters perform better at home than on the road to begin with and it's absolutely ridiculous to simply spout off a guy's road OPS and say he's not a good hitter. Not surprising in the least it me GreenSox making this argument. Be precise. I said that his road OPS is about what Rios' OPS was, and simply suggested he has equal value (especially as his salary is about twice as high). It wasn't I who set the.752 OPS value at Leury Garcia. Sure most players hit better at home....but most players do NOT have the split differentials Cargo has. Comparisons with Holiday are ridiculous. Holliday had road OPS >.800 in each of his last 3 years in Colorado, including .892 his last year. Cargo's are in the .750 range. And he's older than Holliday was. And his D is poor. And he's paid nearly $20 million a year. Of course I'm getting attacked. I always get attacked when suggesting that trading for players at or past their prime, especially those with bad splits, won't help the team win...and it's doubled down when it involves a fave like Cargo or anyone on the Brewers.

Danish is getting his head handed to him. But he's only 21...maybe a return to Birmingham is in order.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) I guess not everyone takes a fun game like baseball as seriously as White Sox fans. While we're here, the time clock system is awesome and made the Home Run Derby enjoyable for the first time since Griffey and Thomas. It depends on one's definition of fun. I like watching baseball. Home run derby is just batting practice. Sure the time clock makes it exciting...it's like watching a sprint v. a jog.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Could be other factors we just don't know. We don't know. My numbers are probative, but prove nothing. But why take the chance for something as daft and ridiculous as home run derby? What's the priority? Fun and games, or winning a division? Frazier has just been getting his complete offensive game together. I will also point out that the rules changed last year to a time clock system, which requires significantly more energy.

2015 Before playing home run derby/ after playing home run derby Frazier=0.922/0.644 Rizzo=0.955/0.833 Pederson=0.851/0.617 Pujols=0.855/0.707 Donaldson=0.844/1.011 bryant=0.848/0.867 machado=0.886/0.832 Fielder=0.924/0.742