GreenSox

I think I understand fine. If you are paying more than the slot value of your draft position, you have to make it up by either a) paying underslot on later picks (aka punting) or b) pay a tax. And I’m not sure the extent which b) is allowed. The nationals just got an extra pick which has its own slot value. If they want to use that slot value to pay over slot in round one, that’s fine; but they will still have to make up for it by going under slot somewhere later in the draft, whether it’s the extra comp pick they got or a different pick. The extra pic may make it cognitively easier, but they still have to punt something

Well the Nationals would have to throw away a pick to do that, just like the teams that passed on him could have done if they chose to. There is some cognitive dissonance aspect as it may not feel like you're throwing away a pick due to the way you acquired it and feeling like it's kind of a "bonus pick." Anyway, unless it's a really stacked draft, I think a college player would be nuts to do that.

This probably isn't the thread for this discussion, but I just don't see how a college player like Smith or Burns has any leverage to demand overslot. They have a lot more to lose than to gain if the drafting team holds firm.

Based on how it looks today, yeah, it doesn’t look like a particularly good trade. I figured that pic was worth like a 10 to 15 ranked prospect. The prospects were iffy to begin with. it may not be the best year to acquire pics, but the nationals made a really good trade.

The Royals number two prospect and a pic for a pretty good reliever. At that price, Feddy should be worth 2 Norbys and a Bievers. Of course, that price might encourage teams on the fence to put pitchers on the market.

And Grifol makes the move (or non-move) in the 9th to make sure Pirates blow the game open. For the umpteenth time.

I would just tone down what they've been doing: 5 or 6 days between starts and limit the pitches to 50-60. And watch him and communicate with him. Adjust accordingly. I wouldn't automatically assume that 1-2 inning pitching is helpful.

Flexen through whole 72 pitches. Did the FO actually order him pulled? Or was this the maestro in dugout? And if it's "Trade value" well, Flexen had some cushion so as to to hurt his trade value (which still isn't very much). Banks' just got wacked.

But the relief role is not new to him; we saw how that worked out. And not just once.

I guess they're managing his workload too, for whatever reason. Yea they can trade him for someone's #15 prospect; but they will reach a point of diminishing returns with so many #15 prospect guys to trade.

Pitching several times a week in relief, often back-to-back days, throwing as hard as you can, is supposed to be easier on his arm and keep him healthy? Not to mention that he got hurt as a reliever and has stayed health as a starter. Pitch him every 6 days and cap his pitches/innings.

Other than two years of Iguchi, the Sox haven’t had anybody at 2nd since Ray Durham. 2nd is good. as for Montgomery, at least he hasn’t lost his approach during his slump. If he’s taking balls down the middle, fine. It’s a lot better than to start hacking outside the strike zone which might happen if they beat on him too hard about taking pitches.

Somebody on twitter (I know) said that the Pirates turned down Holliday for Jared Jones. Paul Skenes is the most valuable pitcher in baseball, and by a wide margin.

They still do it by each league even though everyone plays each other? So stupid.

And once again, the only time Pedro uses a pinch hitter is for one of the team's better hitters (such as he is).

Really? They pitch him tonight on regular rest. They let him throw in the all star game off of short 3 day rest. That's quite the workload management. There's no reason for him to pitch tonight.

Sox aren't even last in OPS over that period (2nd to last; but not last). Managers don't win games, but they sure do lose them.

In the last 30 games, the Sox are 10- 20, tied for last in MLB. Yet the ERA over that time is #3 in MLB. Coaching. Or in baseball parlance, managing.

What is so "untouchable" about Spencer Jones? He was pick #25 in the draft. Good, but certainly not elite. Since then, his OPS outside of the complex league is in the .700s. Okay. He hit 16 HRs last year in 535 PAs. Okay. And he whiffs like crazy. Has anything changed about him since the draft that his stats don't reveal? Is he really untouchable or is that Yankee spin to increase his trade value? Would the Sox want him as a centerpiece anyway?

Kind of liking this hammering that the Cubs are giving the Orioles. Orioles fans getting arrogant, so a good beating is in order. Good for Sox trade market, too.

Probably is, but it really doesn't matter. Unlike Benitendi, he's gone after this season.

Fedde really showed a different dimension yesterday: he got out of a bases loaded no outs jam. He also had an awful start to the game, but it didn't phase him in the least. That says a lot about his mental game. Now it's true that he pitched himself into a bases loaded, no-outs jam. But that happens - good pitchers do that on occasion. But getting out of it unscathed is a rarer event.

Think he's also owed $5 mill for next season. someone will take a shot with Moncada, even if he's still in rehab; Sox will probably have to pay at least 2/3.

Norby, Beavers...these guys aren't top 100 (now I'm just using MLB rankings because it's so convenient to looking things up). I'll go at it another way, if Vaughn is worth a 50-100 player, Fedde is worth a top 30 plus a 50-100.

Of course he should only want trades in which the Sox "win." Of course, in my mind, winning a trade doesn't require the other team to lose the trade. So far, the Cease trade is win-win. Hahn's 2 biggest screwups (Tatis, Semien et al) were each not only lose/win, but we had to chance to get a win on our side no matter what happened. As long as they are well-intended, that's what matters. I don't consider the Sale trade a "lose" for the Sox because we got fair value (light, perhaps, in secondary pieces) in return; it just didn't work out. We win if we get proper value for the player traded.