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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:22 PM) Just to point out...that was only 234 at bats you're talking about, and many of them were at the end of the season when the Sox were basically out of the playoff chase. He was still good for us the whole year, though. His worst month was July, and he was able to hit .250 in that month... I'm not looking at Gload as a full-time player, but there's no reason he shouldn't be on the Sox' bench next year. He instantly gives us a decent bat there, something this team has lacked for a while.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) Well I don't think there would be but people worry about that because he's a rook. I actually wouldn't mind a platoon of the two. I think it's a good way to ease Anderson into the big leagues, while keeping good production at the same time. Of course, I know some dislike the idea of Anderson not being a full-time starter, but I can see it's advantages...

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:16 PM) I'd rather have Anderson than Gload. If there is a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson-and that is not a complete given-then its probably worth it for Andersons long term development. Plus, you can fill a DH spot later if you want to via trade Why would there be a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson. Did I miss something? Was Anderson the one who put up the 115 OPS+ in 2004, in a decent-to-good amount of ABs?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) In fact, if i could compare it to anything, it would be a person looking at how great of a return a person could get in a stock, but they fail to look at the actual risk and deviation the stock has made over a certain amount of years. You can't look at just one thing, you got to way a few things into the factor and at one point, you got to look past someones ridiculous ops and look at the more basic things like hits. Ok, well, let's break down OPS for a minute. How many other guys hit 40 homers per year? How many other guys have walk 100+ times per year? How many guys have OBP hovering around .380 year in, year out (career .383 OBP)? How many guys have a total bases mark in the 280's on a yearly basis? How many guys do all this, and haven't even hit their prime yet? I dunno -- to me it seems like nitpicking, talking about the high K totals and low batting average, while disregarding the extremely high OBP and SLG% totals. It'd be one thing if he was just a power happy, .240/.300/.500 guy -- but he's not.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) I'll pass. This team doesn't need Frank Thomas starting at DH. That is not an upgrade and it is known the Sox need to upgrade the DH position (Everett was > than Thomas and Carl was one of the worse DH's in the AL). If I were told Frank would be healthy, sure, but thats not the case and they need to find themselves a full time, very good DH, and that persons name is not Frank Thomas. Uhh -- the offense was much better when Frank was in the lineup then when he was without it. IIRC, something like a run better. When healthy, Frank Thomas is still one helluva hitter. Of course -- "when healthy" is the pretty important statement. If they can find a good replacement for DH, then I'm fine with it. If not, bring back Thomas on an incentive laden deal, and go from there.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) It was also interesting to note that the Sox negotiated with Danks right to the end and BA made it sound like they may have been pretty close to signing him... That's cool. I didn't even see that. I loved the pick at the time, and love it now -- just nice to see 'em take a good risk like that.

Anything in particular, Jim? Best Pro Debut: Getz Best Athlete: Clayton Richard and Lance Broadway, and Aaron Cunningham. They mention Zach Simons and JT Zink. Best Pure Hitter: Getz Best Raw Power: Chris Carter Fastest Runner: Getz Best Defender: Getz Best Fastball: Ryan Rote (94-95),. Also, Clayton Richard, Danny Cortes, and Derek Rodriguez at 94. Best Breaking Ball: Broadway (duh) They talk about "Most Intriuguing Background" and mention Ricky Brooks and Jordan Danks. Closest to the Majors: Broadway. Best Late Round Pick: Chris Carter. Overall -- they like Brooks and Broadway, and in the later rounds, Cunningham, Richard, and Carter. I should mention that Cunningham is ranked as the second best JuCo player (best debut). Jim Callis likes Cunningham a lot -- in the BA's I've seen since the draft, Callis has mentioned Cunningham a lot. If you want me to elaborate on anything, let me know.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 12:42 AM) Right, I forget some of you guys just completely dismiss batting average. You said: He has an .841 OPS against lefties. His OBP vs. lefties is good, as well as his slugging percentage. Him having a .234 batting average means he can't hit lefties? And -- this completely dismisses what he does against righties (career .255/.397/.532), which, a majority of the pitchers in the league are anyways. I know the main complaints with Dunn are: a.) Too many strikeouts. and b.) Not good with RISP. To the first, I say -- well, there aren't many guys who hit 40 homers yearly, along with 30 doubles, along with 100+ walks. To the second, I say -- he's not seeing a lot of good pitches to hit in those situations (that's my best guess). Why do I say that? His OBP is actually higher with RISP or runners on. I don't think he's seeing a whole lot of good pitches, and when he does see 'em -- he isn't doing much with them. That's a problem, sure, but I'm willing to look past the bad things and towards his good traits.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) What is the market for a .750 OPS defensive CF'er who hits in the 7/8/9 spot? For one of the best defensive CFers in all of baseball? Honestly, there's probably only a handfull of guys who are better defensively than Aaron. I'll say there's a good market for him. His career OPS, BTW, is closer to .800 than it is to .750. I certainly don't disagree with that. But, I also don't think you should just flip him off for a LOOGY -- a guy who'll barely pitch 40 innings a year. His value is certainly higher than that. I don't think you're understanding me. I'm not adverse at all to trading Rowand. And, I don't think Anderson is a downgrade from Rowand. Where I seem to disagree with you is: I don't think the Sox should feel 'forced' to trade Rowand. Meaning, if they aren't getting a good package coming back their way for him, they shouldn't deal him. Period. But that's just me. BTW -- this is the Jerry Owens thread, so here's his ZiPS projection -- 288/344/347. That's pretty good. Of course, nothing is set in stone, but if Rowand is traded, I hope Owens makes the team -- he can spell Anderson and Podsednik on occasion.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) That's part of the reason he bugs me as well. He hits around .200 with both risp and risp and 2 outs. If he's the big bat in the middle of the lineup well one of these years he's going to have to drive in big runs in big situations. The walks are nice but you also need your middle of the order hitters to well..drive in important runs. Also he hits .220 against lefties...so basically we're trading maybe our best pitcher for a guy that can't hit lhp, no thanks. Career line vs lefties -- .234/.353/.488. Good for an .841 OPS. Oh, but he has a bad BA vs. lefties. Right...

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) I think you overrate Choi. If he faced more lefties his numbers would be awful. If he wasn't a first baseman, I'd see your point. I don't think that platoon players is the way to go at first base. See, IIRC, Choi had absolutely no trouble with lefties when he was in the minors. He's had 86 ABs against lefties in the major leagues. No team has given him a chance to prove that he can or can't hit lefties. And, he's played in two notorious pitchers parks in his career, and he's put up an .808 OPS against righties. I'm just saying I'd like to see a manager give him a chance. He hasn't had that yet.

Balta, Hanley Ramirez has a long way to go before he can be really considered ready -- and, I realize that you did say one-to-two years. But, he only hit .271/.332/.385 for Boston's AA team last year. That's not exactly tearing the cover off the ball. Epstein is a damn good GM, and I'm confident in saying that he'd be able to compete with the Yankees for the AL East Crown, year in, year out. It just sucks to have him outted this way. I really hope that all AL Central teams (read: KC and Detroit) stay away from Epstein, too.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 11:03 PM) I still stand by my statement that the Dodgers gave up too much. Especially when one fo the things they actually wanted to get back was Hee Seop Choi. It's debateable. I don't think there was a clear cut winner on either side, but, I'd lean the scales a little towards Florida. Encarnacion has been about average for them -- mediocre in '04, good in '05. Lo Duca hasn't been anything special for Florida (.714 OPS in '05, .690 OPS in '04 for FLA). Mota was pretty awful this year, and good in '04. Choi has been an above average player for LA -- 110 OPS+ this year, and didn't really get a whole lot of AB's in 2004 for LA. Penny has been a little above average. Overall -- no real great players exchanging sides. Of course, it'd be nice to see a team committ to Hee Seop Choi for one year -- he's a guy who you sort of have to feel for. He's never had a manager give him a full-season to prove himself, and even in his 915 ABs, which have been spread out over four seasons, he's put up a 107 OPS+. I hope a team that isn't competing for a division title anytime soon, like Tampa Bay, gives him a shot. I think he can still be a pretty damn good hitter if given a chance...

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 01:25 AM) And if he waited 1-2 more years, and couldn't put a winner on the field...their reaction would have been the exact opposite. Which, I think, is probably one of the reasons he left. You're pretty much saying that Theo Epstein isn't confident in his abilities to put a winner on the field? That's what it seems like. Sounds to me like he lost the power struggle between he and Luchino, not any of the theories you're concocting (sp?)...

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 1, 2005 -> 01:01 AM) Mr. DePodesta, your flight to Boston is boarding. Umm -- no?

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) Meh. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it started and ended with money. Whatever he spewed out on the situation was probaly just to save face. He and Larry Luchinno (sp?) weren't exactly on the same page, if I understand correctly...

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...&format=&page=1 This just proves Moneyball is the sUx0rz.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 10:54 PM) He makes 3.25 million. The reason you trade him is to get a lefty specialist to replace Marte and trade his ass. Or something similar in regard to freeing up that money to go to other players you'd like to acquire, like Furcal, Giles, a DH/1B in trade, etc etc... If you can work him into one of those other deals, fine, do it. If Williams trades Rowand, and all he can get for him is a LOOGY, then I will never get in another arguement with you again. You're vastly underrating Rowand if you think that's all the Sox can get for him. -He isn't a defensive liability. He's one of the best centerfielders in all of baseball, actually, and that in itself is worth a whole lot. I'm very happy the Sox have one great defensive centerfielder, much less another one waiting in the wings. -3.25 million isn't a whole lot of money. For a league average hitting, great defensive centerfielder, that's a bargain. If you're telling me that if Kenny Williams would call up Brian Cashman and ask him what he thinks Aaron Rowand is worth, and you think that Cashman would respond with "Alan Embree" -- then I think you're crazy.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) They went into a slump immediately after that trade for a reason. They lost a lot of talent in that trade. In 2004, after July, the Dodgers went 54-33. After August, they went 33-26. So, yeah, if playing .560 ball is slumping, then I certainly agree.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 10:45 PM) B4 you try to correct someone maybe you should read the whole thread and see he corrected himself. Where is this? I saw him say "my bad" for the .100 point OPS differential, yet Zoom still didn't say that the Sox should go after Johnny Damon, nor that Brian Anderson was a bad prospect. Not ANYWHERE. So, no, SF101, he didn't correct himself, and I think we can have intelligent baseball discussion without all the name-calling. And, I'd hope I wouldn't need to point out all of those to you... :rolly

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 01:22 AM) Minor league performance is simply not a reliable predictor for major league success. There are a lot of guys that kick ass at AA or AAA that never do anything of import in the majors. Even when they make it, many take a couple of years to get there. Very few make an impact in their first year. Anderson's K to BB ratios in the minors don't mean squat. In his brief time in the majors, he had a 0/12 K/BB ratio in 34 at bats. Needless to say that needs to improve drastically. :headshake :headshake QUOTE(Randar68 @ Oct 31, 2005 -> 05:52 PM) So, you expect a .100 point dropoff in average between 2005 AAA and 2006 major leagues? Yeah, ok. Kid has adjusted and adjusted quickly at every level, was a top 10 prospect in the International League, yet he's not considered a good prospect, ok... Yeah, let's go after Johnny Damon when we have 4 top OF prosepcts within 1-2 years of the majors... Zoom never said any of this... I guess I should try and make some use of this post rather than just stirring the pot... I basically feel that the Sox shouldn't feel like they have to trade Rowand -- but, if a team wants to give us a big bat and they want Rowand as a centerpiece to the deal, then I'd do it. I've brought it up in the PaleHose forum, but, say a bat like Gary Sheffield's. Or, if the Reds are looking for a real centerfielder, one who can, you know, play a little defense -- then Adam Dunn. But, I'd hope that they're not just trading Rowand because Anderson is waiting in the wings. If the right deal comes along, pull the trigger knowing that you're saving yourself some money, and mainaining the defense -- the offense is in question, as Anderson could turn out to be a very excellent offensive player, or just an average one.

Should've taken that ball and rubbed it right in RW McQuarters' face. Gosh, I hate him.

Someone needs to hit the s*** out of RW. What an asswipe, late hit BULLs***.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2005/...2/50#commenttop

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 06:52 PM) Completely disagree considering the facts that Juan takes over for Jose playing ss and AJ calling pitches behind the plate, if you switch the two offenses from years past and this one we're much worse imo. I'm not taking defense or anything else into consideration. I'm just saying you take the 2004 offense -- the offense that scored 865 runs -- and switch that with the 2005 offense -- 741 runs scored -- you win more games.