HuskyCaucasian

Apparently "Other" is getting 6-8% of the vote in WV. Seems to be Edwards votes.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) I thought it was like a Chinese proverb or something. I need to read more. It apparently has no known origin.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:28 PM) I'm assuming your church is mostly white, and he was just surprised to see a non-white family there? Doesn't really seem overtly racist, just kind of tactless. 95% white. there are a few black people and this Idianan couple. But yea, mostly white. This isnt the first time he has made a comment about Indian people or black people. So, it's a trend rather than an observation remark. Interestingly enough, our school is seeing a huge influx of Japanese and Asians based on the demographics of Schaumburg. Iguchi's daughter went to school here. So, i think word of mouth spread in the Japanese circles and now we have this influx.

Ok, now this isnt smart on the Obama people... Might be reading too much into (it's a phrase i would use even for a 35 year old), but combine that with "losign his bearing" and ouch.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Bill just like... kept talking. He was worse than Rev. Wright. "Obama played the race card on me in SC." lol, everybody of any race can see what he was doing there. I remember a well respected black politician from SC say that he wasnt "blatant" about what he said in some cases. but there was a "code" he used that people from that area knew, even if a white northerner like I didnt know it. QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Like the old saying goes "it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I always thought that quote was attributed to Lincoln.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:21 PM) I love my grandma to death but she is exactly the same as Obama's grandmother he was talking about in his speech. Of course she loves me unconditionally, and my mom too, but some things she says make me cringe. I just pretend like I didn't hear or otherwise just don't challenge her. Ok, i have to tell this story real fast. My family (My parents and my wife and I) is very active in our Lutheran Church. Heck, i work for the church. One Sunday, my parents were running a booth in our lobby and my grandpa was with them. Now, we have an Indian family (from india) in our congregation. They are 5th generation Lutherans from India. They walk into church and my grandpa looked at my dad and said "you have Indians who go to church here?" ugh. oh well.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Blacks aren't excluding... see the black vote (which votes as a pretty solid bloc most of the time) was split between Obama and Hillary before SC. Bill opened his mouth and that changed everything. SC was a blessing and curse to Obama. It partially marginalized him as "the black candidate" to some Americans, but it galvanized the black community which has, with out a doubt, boosted him to where he is today.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:15 PM) Within the first minute. thought so. Do the people in WV own a computer or have an internet connection? jk

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:15 PM) In all seriousness, it is one of the big reasons I turned down job offers in the area where I went to college. I couldn't stand the ignorance directed towards people who weren't lilly white. I don't care who you are on the outside. I care who you are on the inside. If Barack Obama were echoing my values, I'd vote for the guy. Hell I spearheaded trying to get a black woman elected to our local City Council because I believed she would do the best job. (I don't know if I needed to say any of that, but I didn't want to come off wrong... Sometimes it is hard to see a persons intentions in an arguement on the internet.) Agreed. Like i said in the other thread, I think we are just working with a different definition which is ok. I agree with everything you just said. Racism makes me cringe especially when it comes from one of my family members (specifically my grandpa. that's a whole other story for another time)

QUOTE (Brian @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) Hillary says she is ready to take on McCain..um..well..ok. has she plugged the website yet?

QUOTE (mr_genius @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) It's not the greatest Presidential speech ever. not by a long shot. hillary lied to us, again. hahaha

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) That's my point exact. Racism doesn't have to be "anti" anything. Racism can also be when you exclude all others for your "pro". I respectfully disagree with your definition, but that is ok. If you want to work with that as your definition, then yes, it is racism.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:08 PM) I mean I'm not going to act like race plays no factor at all, of course it does. But it's mostly superficial and subconscious, and it certainly isn't out of a disdain for whites. To pretend it's not a direct result of past history in which every single presidential candidate has been a white male and there has never been a credible black candidate before, not even one, is oversimplification. And to jump to the conclusion that strong black support for a black candidate they like (as opposed to one they don't like, hell Michael Steele didn't win here in Maryland) is racism, I see that as both blissfully ignorant (it's easier to just say that than it is to actually think any deeper than what you see) and to be honest mind-numbingly offensive. This is why I let other people make arguments. That is far better worded than I could have said, and I agree 100%

If someone is listening to her highness, give em a recap.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:05 PM) So if I am ONLY willing to vote for whites, I am not a racist? But if I vote against another group it is racist? That makes zero sense to me. The black vote FAVORED Clinton before Iowa. She had over 60% of the black vote. So, obviously this isnt a "anti-white" movement. So, it's not a racist movement. It's something closer to affirmative action.. right or wrong.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is right that people won't vote for Obama because he is black. In this day and age it pisses me off. We should be past that as a nation, but we aren't.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Has anyone actually asked this question? Seriously I would like to know. No one seems to question that more whites are willing to vote for a black man, than blacks are willing to vote for a white woman. I am curious why in that case as well. Heck, could that be sexism at play as well? Before Obama won Iowa, Clinton was polling 60-40 in the black vote nation wide. SC changed it then Buba tried to make Obama the black candidate.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:01 PM) It's not that either but it's a lot closer. right. Affirmative action is extreme, but it's the closest simple explanation I could think of in 10 seconds.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:44 PM) Clinton supporters are claiming Hillary's speech tonight will be one of the best in the history of the United States. They are probably trying to get everyone to watch it so Clinton can plug HillaryClinton.com 7 times. She needs money man.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:57 PM) No. It isn't different. Voting for someone because of their race is as bad as voting against someone because of their race because the same sentiment underlies both. One person is better than another because of their race. Voting against a race = racism Voting FOR a race = affirmative action. That is my take and i am sticking to it.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:56 PM) If that was the case then every black person who's ever run for president would've had overwhelming support. Iowa legitimized Obama to the black community. when a state of 97% white people vote for a black guy, that means something.. if nothing more than symbolically.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Its no more racist than Obama getting 90% of the black vote. Racism is doing something against another because of their race. Black people are not voting against Hillary because she is white. However, 1 in 4 West Virginians who voted fro Clinton voted for her because Obama is black. BIG difference.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) I mentioned it in another thread, but why is it ignorance when WV votes for Clinton because of Obama's race, but not ignorance when 90% of blacks vote for Obama because of his race? Racism is racism. Why is it "worse" one way than the other. If you ask me, its why we never get past race in this country, because we have different standards for different people. Racism is doing something against another because of their race. Black people are not voting against Hillary because she is white. However, 1 in 4 West Virginians who voted fro Clinon voted for her based on race. BIG difference.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:44 PM) Clinton supporters are claiming Hillary's speech tonight will be one of the best in the history of the United States. Only if she concedes. Seriosly, better than "Yes We Can", "I have a dream" and "we will go to the moon"? Yea, i doubt it. Oddly, I wont be watching it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:30 PM) Just as important as Missouri, which Obama won. Clinton looks at it state by state while Obama looks nationally. With all do respect, but Obama wont spend a moment in WV. But he WILL go to NV, CO, NM, MT, and the Dakodas.