HuskyCaucasian

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:20 PM) it's still basically mathematically impossible for Hillary to win, and he will get another blowout win in Oregon too next week. For all us sane people, it is officially next week. If Clinton wins Kentucky 65-35 and Obama wins Oregon 55-45, Obama then has 50.65% of all possible pledged delegates (including those who have not voted yet). Of course that does not include FL and MI, so Clinton will fight on to the end.

MSNBC Online Poll: Did you anticipate Sen. Hillary Clinton's win in West Virginia? 90% - Yes. It was clear she had the support of the state's Democrats. Do you think this win will give the Clinton campaign the momentum to go forward? 74% - No. The math is against her and Obama has all but won the nomination.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ May 13, 2008 -> 07:08 PM) Barack is pretty much the nominee and could lose an important state for the Dems by 30 points. i didn't expect something like that to happen. figured the Dems would start to all support Obama now. Not in states like WV and Kentucky. With all do respect, but these are old and uneducated states and that favors Clinton. There is a racism factor too. Clinton could have dropped out 3-4 weeks ago and she would still win WV.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 13, 2008 -> 06:41 PM) I refuse to believe those numbers. The Hard working white people of Oregon won't let Hillrod down! Apparently, the women are shifting to Obama in OR....

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ May 13, 2008 -> 06:32 PM) Pretty much everyone I have talked to about this thinks Jimmy Fallon is good for this. I think his show is going to be awful. O'Brien wasnt very good at first. but now I like him way more than Leno.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) I haven't seen this in a while, but what's the projected polls in Oregon looking like? Obama up big... 3 Polls: Obama +11, +14, +20

MSNBC is reporting from a Clinton rally in WV and no one is there! lol Yes it's early, but they KNEW she would win and you would think they would get people there early to celebrate the moment victory is declared.

Exit Polls via MSNBC: Obama: 31.9 Clinton: 65.12 Clinton +33.22

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 06:26 PM) I can't wait for the media to make it seem Obama has lost his "locked up" nomination after tonight. I dont think you'll see that. Fox maybe, but not the others.

Apparently West Virginians like being pandered to... Seven in 10 Hillary Clinton voters supported her idea to suspend the federal gas tax for the summer.

Race was a factor... One in FOUR (25%) Clinton voters said race was a factor.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:56 PM) Seeing the polls, if California is in play, so is Texas (neither will be come the general election). That's why polls at this point really don't mean that much of anything. exactly. I'll start paying attention to polls in July, maybe august

QUOTE (juddling @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:54 PM) Maybe it's just me (but i doubt it) but i think Fallon is going to SUCK big-time. I tend to disagree. I think he is in the O'Brien mold. Goofy, but funny.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) PR is primary, now. I believe. Should be huge turnout. thanks for the correction. I had not noticed that.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:42 PM) And that, my friends, is why Obama will not win in November. It's not even the issues. It's his race, and IMO it's the saddest thing of all. I think it will hurt him in the south, but that is about it. I remember I saw one poll a while back that was for either Kentucky or WV, I dont remember which. It had Cllnton +10 vs McCain, but McCain +20 vs Obama. My jaw hit the floor. But in northern states and out west it wont hurt him. He actually as good support out west in NV, CO, NM and Iowa.

For those of you who may have missed it, NBC announced Monday that Jimmy Fallon has signed on to replace Conan O’Brien when O’Brien takes over for Leno on the Tonight Show. An NBC Goodbye for Leno After ‘Tonight’?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) Would have been nice if the reporter didn't hint that Obama might be lying. Reminds me of Hillary's "as far as I know" comment. She/He (Not sure if Snow is a 1st name) could have stated that in fact Obama is a Christian. I hope the exit pollers do a poll on Obama's religion. I'd be VERY curious to see what the people of WV think. I'd also like to see a poll on if race is a factor.

Gotta love the ignorant old people... West Virginia Primary: Good Morning America Meets An Uninformed Voter

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) I wonder when Barack knew about this? http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/943467,...Sweet11.article Fair question as well.

Quick projection- Let's assume Clinton takes WV 70-30. Not including FL and MI, she then needs 91% (yes 91%) of all remaining pledged delegates to win the pledged count. Including FL as is: she needs 80.7% Including FL and MI (using the MI proposal of 69-59): 78.1% If it's 65-35... No FL and MI: 91.5% FL Included: she needs 81.5% FL and MI (using the MI proposal) included: 78.8%

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 12, 2008 -> 03:15 PM) What's worse, that Londoners see West Virginians this way, or that some Americans actually think this way? I have thought for a while that Obama's lack of support in WV and Kentucky had far less to do with policy and likability than "other issues".

Obama picks up two Ohio pledged delegates

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 10:16 AM) Good lord that woman is insane. Then again, I thought the popular vote was the only way we should doing things... In this case, the problem comes with the caucuses. They just dont track the popular vote. They track elected delegates. So, One delegate might represent 2-15 people, but we have no idea. So, "popular vote" is a misnomer since we dont know the ACTUAL popular vote for a candidate. If you factor in that a caucus delegate might represent the will of 2-15 people, Obama's "popular vote" lead is HUGE. Way over a million.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:59 AM) Hillary's camp is now saying they're going to win the popular vote. I know that doesn't even matter now, but is that even possible if they don't include MI and FL? Based on the numbers I have (may not be 100% up-to-date), but they are pretty close.... Minus MI and FL: Obama leads 15,812,947 - 15,000,441 (Obama +812,506) With MI and FL: Obama leads 16,389,161 - 16,199,736 (Obama +189,425) With FL ONLY: Obama leads 16,389,161 - 15,871,427 (Obama +517,734) The following are the remaining primaries: WV, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, SOuth Dakota. Obama is favored to do well in SD OR, and MT. Clinton needs huge numbers out of WV and Kentucky to get close. Remember, PR is a caucus and according to her those dont count, but PR is favored for her. Interesting to see how she spins that one.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:49 AM) LINK Here is the response from the guy who conducted the interview. He pretty much rammed a cattle prod up John Boehner's rear end...