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QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 01:37 PM) Caption this photo: HEY! He stole the conservative base from me! NOT FAIR!

Is Clinton going to blackmail SuperDelegates?

Clinton Campaign - The only "significant" state Obama won is Illinois So.... now we know where Clinton REALLY stands. She only cares about the big important states. All those "minor" states like Colorado, Minnesota, Washington, Missouri, Virginia, Maryland, and Georgia are.. well, just states that just simply dont matter. Their people are not "significant" contributers to this country. So, the people of the US Mint, Target, Best Buy, Microsoft, all the federal workers based around DC, the residents of the states where 5 of our first 7 presidents came from, oh and the home of Coke, CNN, and the weather channel. Yea, those states dont matter.

Reason #1,038,752 why to NEVER give Rednecks money. Reason #1... Jeff Foxworthy

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QUOTE(iamshack @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 12:05 PM) Not when you're paying $8,500 annually in health care for each employee working here...or when hourly wages are triple or even 10 times here what they are in other countries. An example, and this was discussed on the program that inspired this thread: Detroit, MI used to be the city in North America where the most vehicles were manufactured- by far. Now Ontario, Canada is the city where most vehicles are manufactured in North America, because the health care costs per employee are 1/10th the price. How do we compete for those jobs? Another example- Starbucks is now paying more $ in healthcare than they spend on coffee beans. What corporation in their right mind would want to set up any part of their manufacturing process here in the United States? How can we change that? VERY well written. I believe that was one of the points made in the show. It's amazing how all these problems intertwine.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 09:54 AM) The subprime loans are the fault of morons who took them. If you sign a contract that has your house as collateral I suggest you take the few minutes and gloss over the wording. The rate, and term of any mortgage is pretty much spelled out for you. I blame the banks as well, for giving credit out to those who dont deserve it and giving too much of a ratio for what a person can afford over what they should afford. But in the end, the moron who signed the contract is the one to blame. No one forced that person to sign it. We are adults. You are responsible as an adult to pay your bills, and for your financial stability. If you make foolish decisions and dont read contracts you sign then you are asking for a world of trouble. The MESS as a whole is the fault of both sides. The companies hooked people into loans they think they can afford then jack up the prices later on. These companies KNEW the prices would go up, and I am more than sure they KNEW they would foreclose on some of them. I call it bulk lending. Make up for the potential foreclosures by giving out more loans to compensate. It is also the fault of the consumer. two and a half years ago I almost bought a town home. It would have been tight on the budget, but we could afford it. The other option to save money would have been to do a interest only or ARM. Well, i thought those sounded a little too risky. I understood these companies are out to make money, not help me get my dream. i decided against it. It's a good thing. My rate would have gone up and my home would be worthless. I have been a happy renter since August 2005. Corporate Greed + Consumer Ignorance = DISASTER

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 11:33 AM) Haven't we done that enough the last 8 years? and what happened? Companies went over seas... pay stayed stagnant... CEO pay went up.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 11:05 AM) There is no way to avoid the sacrifices that must be made. Talk all you want about what the average consumer wants- but we've been playing that game for far too long- that's what gets us into these messes. It's time for Americans to start making sacrifices like the rest of the world. but but but... what about my 52" HDTV I want to buy!? I cant sacrifice that! And my nice new car.. i need it!

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) are you drinking or speaking ebonics? i was typing too fast. When i type too fast, letters tend to be missed and spaces put in the wrong spot.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 07:27 AM) It is interesting that those that say $9.50 would cripple the economy also say removing illegals and allowong the free market to decide, knowing wages would leap forward, would not be a problem for the economy. I don't know. I'd like to see if that $9.50 is over 4 years, 8 years, 1 year, etc. Typically wage increases are phased in over several years. i would think 4 in this case. She says "I'll increase it to $9.5" and people hear "tomorrow, your pay goes up".

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 10:25 AM) I am a republican but I cant stand this creature. Ding ding ding! Coultergeist needs to go away forever. She is ignorant and ill-informed.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 10:07 AM) How praytell do you think this is going to get done. Do you think that companies are going to voluntarily make changes that will affect their bottom line and their shareholders. No. Do you think that with politicians on both sides of the aisle so knee deep in PACs that they will make this happen. No. So the only way this will happen is either by financial incentives for running clean which they dont want to do because it affects a revenue stream for the government. Or signing the Kyoto accord and putting a stranglehold on the economy. Do you know what will happen if the Kyoto accord is signed here. The chinese factory workers are going to have a lot more job opportunities as companies left and right move operations overseas. so either we ignore this problem and run the planet into the ground, or we give companies that make BILLIONS of dollars money from the government? I'm moving to Canada. At least once the world gets warmer, winters there wont be too bad.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 09:54 AM) Do you know why the US ranks 24th in broadband penetration. Because there are so many telephone/cable companies who have local access, and dont want to cooperate with upstream vendors who will be using their network. Over in other countries there is one local carrier who supplies both local access and upstream access and can VAT the living crap out of any carrier that uses their network. I cant speak to the intricacies of how other countries work. But I saw in an interesting note the other day. Congress just passed a $150 billion stimulus package. $150 billion would pay to run fiber to EVERY home (and i think business) in the entire country! I am not saying we should run fiber instead of give people money, but it's an interesting comparison. If instead of spending $275 million per day in Iraq we turned that money around and ran fiber... we could have fiber to every home in America within 2 years.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 09:54 AM) You know what will do wonders for the economy, forcing US companies to comply with the Kyoto accord. That should kill the economy with one quick and violent blow. I understand that completely. but like i said, he gave them the metaphorical middle finger. at least SEEM like you care. You cant make unilateral changes over night. But you can work in that direction. It takes time. Just dont ignore it, then in the last year of your presidency as you are literally getting kicked out the door go "oh crap, there's a problem. we gotta fix it".

I have to say. I thought the show was very fair and balanced. They would say something has to be done, but say the MAJOR hurtles that need to be over come. Specifically when they talked about global warming and how to convince countries like China and India to stop burning coal. They basically said the only way to stop them is to give them subsidies to change, but good luck trying to sell that to an auto worker "yea, we need to tax you and give that money to India. hope you don't mind".

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 09:43 AM) Blah Blah Blah...we get it Bush is the devil...everyone else's opinions are wrong. Go post about it in the Dem thread. You know this isn't what iamshacks intention was with this thread, but you couldn't hold back. I am pointing out that these are major issues that have been ignored. The next president has a crap load of stuff to deal with and only 4 years to deal with it. Heck, less than that before reelection.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 13, 2008 -> 09:31 AM) Dam this administration for flying planes into the World Trade Center. Afghanistan was one thing. IRAQ is a whole other. They invaded a country saying they were supporting terrorists, only to find out later there were no links. Over the last 3+ years we have been fighting over when and how to get them out. Investigations into corruption within the administration, and other wrong doing. All the time Bush suppresses government reports on global warming. Gives the Kyoto accords the middle finger. Let's oil companies money rape American citizens, healthcare companies charge record prices, America ranks 24th in the world in broadband penetration, a national debt that is ballooning out of control, ignored all these "sub-prime" and intrest only loans that even I know were bad ideas and I didnt go to Yale.

I saw this a couple of days ago. It was outstanding. Thanks to this lovely administration we have in charge now, a LOT of critical issues have been ignored for 7+ years while they distracted us with Iraq. So, many issues that could have been worked on have been pushed off to the next guy. And the next guy may not be very popular because of the decisions that need to made. It wont be easy or fun. But it NEEDS to be done. My own political view is Obama can influence people to do "hard things", but people will look at Clinton ans say "screw you".

Best spin of the evening, a Clinton representative: "We did what we set out to do this evening.. collect delegates" LMAO! Seriously, if that is the best you have, dont even try.

John McCain just said "I'm Fired Up and Ready to Go". HAHAHAHA!!! Dude, get your own catch phrase.

John McCain just said "I'm Fired Up and Ready to Go". HAHAHAHA!!!

John McCain is officially one of the WORST speech givers ever. Seriously, every time I hear him give a speech he sounds flat, dull, and boring. it sounds like he is reading an audiobook of his biography or something. Blah!

Virginia Exit Polls: Obama Dominates Across the Board Male: 67%... Female: 59%... All Income Levels... All Regions (except Western VA), Democrat: 60%... Republican: 70%... Independent: 66%... White: 50%... Black: 89%... Latino: 53%

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