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QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 03:32 PM) Well, Tigers are going to win. Austin Jackson deserves MVP votes. You called that one real early.

Has there been a better C in baseball? Ruiz is definitely in the discussion.

QUOTE (Caesar @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 03:09 PM) That should do it ?

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 02:57 PM) What? I said they wouldn't get shut out today. Whoops. Misread. My fault. I read it as if we we're gonna get shutout.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 02:53 PM) You're right of course, but people will just react to what they see in a game in game threads. A lot of the times its negative because thats what is happening in that moment. It's no big deal. See,. now everyone is reacting the opposite way on that youk blast. But nobody is saying "calm down guys, its only 1-1". lol. fathom (who I love) and cali both said the sox wouldn't score today like 5 minutes ago.

And there it is. Damn I love Youk. Always was a fan of his.

QUOTE (Caesar @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 02:50 PM) I'm calm as can be. Why do people think that just because we say something on here negative that we are all yelling and s***? I didn't say anything about yelling. But the doom and gloom has already started. I wasn't calling out 1 person. It's multiple people. Even if the Sox lose today, so what?

I can't believe I'm saying this. But you guys need to calm down. It's 1-0.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 02:12 PM) Bulls have had fantastic team chemistry the last few seasons, a guy like Mayo who misses practices, and gets suspended for drugs doesnt seem like the professional Thibs would want on this team. But then again we did try to trade for him a few years ago so I'm probably wrong with that logic. With them only signing Bellinelli to a 1 year contract I'm lead to believe they'll be going after one of the stud SGs next year....We've all called this a lost year including myself so whats the point of throwing a multi year contract at Mayo when he could turn out to be a clubhouse cancer and there will be better options next year....yes i know "wait till next year yawnnnnnnnnn" Meh. Jerry had no problem letting KW trade for a wife beater. Mayo would've been an outstanding (possibly long-term) addition.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 01:37 PM) Because Marco is white! there, I said it. Nah just kidding, but its probably because Courtney is perceived (justly) to be a much better defender. But in reality, neither one are going to be anything more than roleplayers for us. Courtney Lee as a long term solution at 2 guard for us, was always a joke. Don't care too much for Lee. Mayo is the one I will never accept letting get away. He would've been a beautiful addition. Whether as a starter or a Harden-like 6th man.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) Touche. Thats the risk you take with older players. You say risk. I say delusion. It was delusional to think that Rip was going to magically be healthy in a condensed season and go mano-a-mano with Wade at this point in his career.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 01:12 PM) You mean like the Mavs did getting Peja and Marion who both scored less points that Rip did the previous year....Worked out for them How many games has Rip missed the last 4 years? Hint: it's a lot.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 01:07 PM) The Bosh-less Heat barely got by the Celtics. I think the Bulls with Rose could have beaten them (without Bosh) in the ECF. you're doing what mags tried to do. You can't give Chicago Rose and still leave the Heat with no Bosh. That's kinda not fair. If the only difference between the Sixers and the Bulls is rose, then they were not destined to win even with rose. And I don't want to hear about Noah. The Bulls got waxed in game 2 with noah going like 11/12 and 26 points. and in the series clincher the Bulls outrebounded the Sixers by like 20 and still lost. so they didn't miss noah that game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) If Rose hadn't trashed his knee...can you say it wouldn't have been the difference? And that's exactly why Jerry and the FO is just sittin' back and chillin'. Because Bulls fans are going to play that card for eternity. If you can't see how Miami just totally thrashed OKC and recognize that the Bulls, even with Rose, would've suffered a similar fate, I don't know what to say.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:56 PM) Ok but many people here would say that just being there is akin to failure. Deep playoff runs and great regular season records apparently don't mean anything, just like our great records these past 2 years and our ECF run in 2011 doesn't mean anything. 2011 by itself was fine. Nobody thought the bulls would get that far and they lost to a better team. The problem is they had the audacity to think that flipping bogans for a washed up Hamilton would be the difference this year.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:51 PM) Mighta been J4L who brought up the Chandler/Curry thing, my bad. It was me. And I didn't take a dump on chandler. The Bulls thought they had a future superstar and marketed him as just that.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:45 PM) Almost. And this hard on for Mark Cuban really perplexes me. Yes, he's a good owner, but prior to 2011 the Mavs were known for being perennial playoff chokers. Number of chips they won? 1. Number of chips we won? 6. And look at the team they assembled to win that championship. 1 superstar and a bunch of good roleplayers. Thats exactly the opposite of what you're advocating for now. The Mavs team that won the title wasn't set up to win multiple years (like Miami is now). Cuban knew that. That's why he reluctantly let guys like Chandler, Stevenson, barrera (don't know how to spell his name), etc, go. He's already looking at the future. As far as playoff chokers? Well, other than '06 and inexplicably '07, what years did they really choke? And you can't blame cuban for '06. They were up 2-0 and had a 13 point lead in game 3 before the refs decided they wanted to put wade on the line 10 times a quarter. And '07? that was a 67 wins beast that won like 33 outta 34 games at one point and lost to the 8th seeded warriors. That's coaches and players. But the bigger picture escapes you. The mavs are there every year under Cuban.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) The same Tyson Chandler you've already taken a dump on, past their prime players like Peja and Marion who are similar to what the Bulls tried to do with Rip, Corey Brewer who scored a grand total of 5 points per game for them, and a washed up J Kidd who yes can still pass the ball....All sound like players you'd poo on if the Bulls got them before you even saw them play here. Mark Cuban wasn't expecting Tyson Chandler to turn into Kevin Garnett and save the franchise. There's the difference. And whether people like Cuban or not, nobody can ever question his dedication. He's ALWAYS on the prowl. And we're not just talking 2011. how do you not remember how epically bad the Mavs were before Cuban? And how they've been right at the top of their conference for years now? s***, if not for wade going to the line 600 times, they would've won in '06.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:16 PM) You're right, they stayed garbage and got Westbrook and Harden in the draft...what else have they done? Same sort of thing the Bulls we're doing with Curry and Chandler, just didn't work out that way. Doesn't matter. How many lotto picks did the Bulls have in the early 2000's and botched each one? Yes, Durant was easy. Wesbrook and Harden, not to mention Ibaka where they got him, that was skill. And talk to the Spurs about needing top 5 picks to be competitive. The mavs have been right there in a much better conference for a decade now. Tyson Chandler? Jason Terry? Even Jason Kidd at the time? Those were impact moves that eventually led to a title. I know. Just like we couldn't blame them in 2000. Zzzzzz. gmab. Jalen Rose was nowhere near a superstar player. Even on the worst teams, somebody has to score.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:09 PM) I disagree that its worse or less athletic On what planet is Hinrich, Robinson, Belinelli, the artist formerly known as prophet Nazr Mohammed and Radmanovich better and more athletic? And don't pull that some of these guys won't see big minutes stuff. With the injury history of the starters, they'll undoubtedly be called upon much, much more than you would like.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) Hey bro, we need another superstar but we need to make moves to improve our bench too. The two are not mutually exclusive. I'm interested in ALL moves we make, not just the big ones. You only seem to care about getting the top 5 players in the NBA. If we don't do that, you don't seem interested at all. They had a top bench. Now it's worse and considerably less athletic. But I guess I can always go to youtube and watch old dunk contests of nate robinson needing 14 attempts to complete a, um, dunk.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) Because we didnt get OJ Mayo? Or because the washed up PG we got isn't a future HoFer? There wasn't much else out there. Actually, yeah. That's a legitimate piece that you could put next to your superstar for years if you choose. Like Kyle has said over and over (and I can't believe the 180 he's done but I love it), we're going on 15 years now of empty promises and excuses. After the dynasty was stupidly broken up, the plan was to have all this cap space and sign free agents. Instead we get Ron Mercer. fail. Then the plan was to wait for Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry to become KG and Shaq. More fail. Then we trade Artest and Miller for Jalen Rose and I can't remember what else. I remember people saying that he (Rose) was a borderline superstar, or at the very least an all-star, player you could build around. Super fail there. Then we get Hinrich/Deng/Gordon rammed up our asses (WITH BEN WALLACE BEING THE FINAL PIECE TO THE PUZZLE!). More fail. KG? Kobe? Gasol? Fail, fail and fail. In '08, basketball jesus finally said, "you know what, Bulls fans have suffered enough. Let's get them a superstar somehow, someway." Enter Derrick Rose. What have we surrounded him with at the off-guard the last couple years? Keith Bogans and Rip Hamilton. What is this? 1994 when you could get away with scrubs like Kenny Smith and John Starks at the 2? Is this 1995 where Jeff Hornacek was considered somewhat athletic? This franchise has to get with the times. The Lakers are the Lakers. Boston had a plan back in '07 and executed it to perfection. Mark Cuban makes s*** happen. Miami is going to be in the way for the next 5 years. OKC didn't just draft Durant and stop there. f***ing do something! And no, waiting for Rose to get back to 100% is not enough.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) I would be too, if it wasn't Friday night in August when we're 2.5 games in first and playing a team with Albert Pujols and Mike trout on it. I went last night and I am going tomorrow, do your part people. Edit: That was more a comment to the general public as I know everyone here is a diehard and goes whenever possible. I feel confident when I say the average/fairweather baseball fan has no idea who the hell Mike Trout is. Baseball is by far the worst (hockey doesn't count) at marketing its individual superstars. I wouldn't even recognize Mike Trout in regular clothes just walkin' down the street. And I've got a hard-on for him. For the Sox, they have to win. Period. Yeah, if the Yankees, Red Sox or Cubs come to town, they'll draw. But it's more the franchises themselves than people paying top dollar to see Robinson Cano, another guy I probably wouldn't recognize outside of uniform.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 08:54 PM) There is some excellent discussion in this part of the board, far better than some of the other "niche interest" boards that attempt this sort of thing. The plus is it keeps people here, and I'm okay with that. Actually, the discussion is terrible. In fili, you're allowed to take personal shots at posters because everybody thinks they're right and everybody else is wrong. That's why i stay out of here. i wouldn't last two seconds in here without getting accused of trolling. Then I would get warned by a mod and eventually suspended if i didn't succumb.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 08:26 PM) Also, what the hell happened in here? I posted this morning on page 21 and I went back from this page (30 on my settings) and all I've seen for a while is discussion on priesthood. so....chicken sandwiches? lol. That's what soxtalk has become. It's politicstalk for the most part. Lame as hell. This is supposed to be a sports board. We could trade for strasburg tomorrow and it wouldn't generate 40 pages of this dumbs***. Most of the posters that live in filibuster rarely ever post in pht. We need to get rid of fili asap. It's a SPORTS board, people.