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QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 11:47 AM) I'd love to see this, link? I know this is Jason's board. But for now all of Soxtalk belongs to WhiteSoxRandy. He clowned all of us.

Missed the game. But score one for Ozzie for benching the biggest waste of talent not named B.J. Upton in baseball.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) And Terry Boers proclaimed him as a first ballot HOFer (So did Harold Reynolds) What an overhyped player, jesus christ... it was ridiculous This is totally something I've pulled out of my ass (I know, yuck), but I kinda wonder what the Reds plan on doing with Brandon Phillips. I ask because he's got a club option next year and they might not want to bring him back for the years/money he'll likely command. I'd love to get our hands on one of their two catching studs, Mesoraco or Grandal. But Beckham's fallen so far in the last year and a half that they'd probably fall over laughing if such a deal were offered.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 10:34 AM) http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2...owners-players/ Dear god that would be awful. Just as a reference point, the Bulls payroll for 2011-2012 is $60,726,162 for ONLY 10 players (Boozer, Deng, Rose, Noah, Korver, Brewer, Watson, Asik, Bogans and Gibson). And the Bulls have to re-sign Rose to a max deal. This is gonna be a long long long winter without any basketball. Yep, I've basically come to the realization that the season will not start on time. Best-case scenario would be for a repeat of '99 and getting 50 games in. But that's even doubtful.

QUOTE (Felix @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 07:30 PM) Ellis + Rose is just a bad combination (which isn't to say they are bad players, they both just have similar play styles and similar weaknesses). Both are inefficient players that need the ball to create, and neither is big enough or talented enough defensively to actually guard opposing teams 2s. Individually, they're both very good players, but I don't see how they could work together efficiently. I know. I just prefer him over J-rich and Smith. I'd put it on TT to make it work somehow. If LeBron/Wade didn't exist I'd be a lot more demanding.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 07:24 PM) I hate to burst your bubble, because I know you are just having a great time right now, I mean, like, the most fun you've ever had, but there's a big difference between the usage of JR Smith and Jason Richardson. Really, arguing that JR Smith is a better player than Jason Richardson just shows that anyone can cherry-pick stats. Over the last four seasons, Jason Richardson (313 games played) has been the more effective player across the board than JR Smith (308 games played), despite being a much more focal point of his team's offense. Richardson and Smith are nearly identical in PER over the past 4 seasons (16.74 to 16.675, slight edge to J-Rich). However, Richardson has the advantage over Smith in FG%, 3P%, FT% (and obviously and inherently points, boards, etc as he carries more of a workload). JR Smith, despite playing 9.5 fewer MPG over that span of 300+ games, turns the ball over more than Richardson. In the end, you've got two solid, but not ideal options for the Bulls come FA whenever that becomes feasible. To just check-mate this as Smith being the better player, or better shooter, or better scorer, well, that just ignores facts. The man can shoot the ball and would be an obvious upgrade for the Bulls, and I imagine he'd also be cheaper and age better throughout the contract. I guess the reputation that comes with JR Smith scares me away, but I think that reputation is more perceived than factual as I go through the Google logs. Depending on the CBA, I'd rather Richardson in the short term, but JR would be a solid consolation prize. So you've opened my eyes a tad to JR Smith, though I don't see why you are getting so worked up, c'est la vie. I agree they're similar. But Smith is 5 years younger.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 07:09 PM) The Bulls don't. That kills that talk. As far as JR Smith vs Jason Richardson, I'd say Richardson is a better bet to be more consistent, but JR Smith provides elite scoring when he's on. He goes through hot and cold streaks big time. Richardson is more even keel. Smith will give you a 50 point game when feeling it and given the ball. But he'll come out with a 12 point game under the exact same circumstances the following game. Richardson will give you 18 one game, then 16 the next. When I think Richardson, I think early 2000s dunk contests. He's just never had any real impact of essence. I like Smith. Give me talent over hardworking guys who dont get in trouble with no talent. I totally get the cons with a guy like Ellis. But the pros are sufficient enough for me.

I still fancy Ellis. I'll take the pros over the cons.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 05:10 PM) Jeter goes every year just because he is who he is, but this year he is GLARINGLY undeserving. It's not even just a bunch of bloggers calling his decline now. I mean Jesus Christ, there's almost nothing he's good at anymore. I consider http://forums.nyyfans.com/ the mother of all Yankee message boards. And even the bulk of that fanbase is appalled by Jeter winning Gold Gloves and inexplicably beating out the likes of Ramirez and Cabrera for the starting SS nod for the all-star game.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) I'm sure it's not helping Dunn any. To those at the games ... does the booing seem mean spirited and hateful? Or is it just like the obligatory booing for a guy hitting .175 and whiffing all the time? I get the feeling it's kind of obligatory booing and not hateful. That's precisely what it is. Adam Dunn is not the first ball player in history to get booed. Look at how Boston was treating David Ortiz as recently as '09. Now he's tearing the cover off the ball and all is well. Players that are sub-standard are going to get booed.

lol. I can't wait to hear this.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Here's the most hilariously absurd thing: Pierre's just barely ahead of Dunn in OBP despite Dunn having the worst season imaginable (.311 vs. .308) I can't believe the Sox are 7th among AL teams in OBP. With Pierre, Done, Beckham, Rios and Morel being below league average (the latter three well below leave average), I figured we were 11th or 12th.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) Gio and I got a feeling Huddy will be in that category at some point as well. A lot of Kenny's moves are very defensible(besides Hudson for Edwin) but at some point his team have to start winning. Throw in Chris Young as well. 4.6 WAR last year. 2.5 WAR so far this year. Javy has been exiled into the abyss. And we're paying Rios $12 million to be '06 Brian Anderson. I'd say that trade was a fail.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I don't care so much about the fan voting. Thats only 9 spots out of 35 or whatever the number is now. What I do think they need to get rid of is the "one guy must make it from every team" rule. If no one deserves to go, no one deserves to go. I remember how mad I was in 2000 when the Big Hurt didn't make it, but Fred McGriff did because of this rule. I don't know about you. But I'm definitely looking forward to Chase Headley being selected to play in a game that's supposed to house the best (though I guess Heath Bell would make it in this case). Sad.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) And, like J4L, I have no problem with that. Exactly. Cheer away. Just don't demonize those that don't (not saying Ed is doing this).

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) It's not specific to our fanbase either. EVERY fanbase in the sport would be riding him, and I'm willing to bet that quite a few would be worse. And I mean much worse. They'd have to do cavity searches of fans if this were Boston or Philly.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) Actually, it's too bad for us. He's getting his money either way, you're the one getting screwed out of the price of admission the longer this slump continues. In other words, stop booing him because it isn't nice. Like you said, he's getting paid either way. But I'm certainly not going to cheer him when he's whiffing at an historic rate vs Charlie Hough clones.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) Time for them to revisit how the voting works. Tired of seeing 5 Yankee starters including stiffs like Martin and has-beens like Jeter every year. What's there to revisit? Either let the fans vote or don't let the fans vote. As long as there is fan voting, this epidemic will occur every year.

I'm sick of hearing "it's all mental." You know what, take some of that $14 million and go see a f***ing shrink. He went from Cincy to Arizona to Washington and there was seemingly no adjustment period needed, as all he did was rake. Now he moves to the big bad AL, where fans are a bit more vocal than those of the Reds D-backs and Nationals, and all of a sudden he needs to be institutionalized? Swing the bat and hit the ball, fatty.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) I hate to see Dunn going through this, he's always been one of my favorite players (mostly because of fantasy bb). You don't have the career this guy has had and just suddenly drop off to nothing, even if you put on 15 pounds of weight. I really think it's important not to discount what Frank Thomas had to say about the mental adjustments required to become a DH and how difficult those adjustments are to make. Now Dunn is trying to make those adjustments in front of a vocal and impatient fan base. He'll get it going. Not that you're insinuating this, but why do SOME feel it would behoove us to stop booing and that would make him hit better? Farmer has already hinted at this. "The booing doesn't help." Cheering him as he whiffs three consecutive times against Livan Hernadez and his 72 MPH FB would help? The guy is paid mega bucks to produce. That's what this sport of baseball is. He has been terrible at every aspect of this sport. And the thing is, he only gets paid to do one thing: Hit fricking HRs. It's not April 19th. It's not May 8th. It's not May 29th. It's not June 25th. July 1 is right around the corner. How many more 0/4, 3 K games must occur before this guy can be classified as a bust, for this year, anyway? I have no problem with those that choose to keep the faith. No problem. Just no more shots taken at the fanbase because he's getting booed. He deserves every bit of it.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) I hate to see Dunn going through this, he's always been one of my favorite players (mostly because of fantasy bb). You don't have the career this guy has had and just suddenly drop off to nothing, even if you put on 15 pounds of weight. I really think it's important not to discount what Frank Thomas had to say about the mental adjustments required to become a DH and how difficult those adjustments are to make. Now Dunn is trying to make those adjustments in front of a vocal and impatient fan base. He'll get it going. Not that you're insinuating this, but why do SOME feel it would behoove us to stop booing and that would make him hit better? Farmer has already hinted at this. "The booing doesn't help." Cheering him as he whiffs three consecutive times against Livan Hernadez and his 72 MPH FB would help? The guy is paid mega bucks to produce. That's what this sport of baseball is. He has been terrible at every aspect of this sport. And the thing is, he only gets paid to do one thing: Hit fricking HRs. It's not April 19th. It's not May 8th. It's not May 29th. It's not June 25th. July 1 is right around the corner. How many more 0/4, 3 K games must occur before this guy can be classified as a bust, for this year, anyway. I have no problem with those that choose to keep the faith. No problem. Just no more shots taken at the fanbase because he's getting booed. He deserves every bit of it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 09:49 AM) And Alexei Ramirez. He went straight to The Show, though. No opportunity for our minor league coaching staff to sabotage his career.

Definitely went with Boog Powell.

Maybe Ozzie is still spooked by Brian Anderson, Josh Fields, Chris Getz and now currently Gordon Beckham and Brent Morel? That type of failure can have long-term psychological effects.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 26, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) It's really hard to have -.4 WAR tacked on in one game. And that's where my laziness comes in. I didn't check where Dunn was at. Either way, they're both terrible.