Jordan4life_2007

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) Eh, I've never seen Burnett as a top tier starter, and definitely think of Buehrle as better than him. Like I said, Burnett is probably the only guy out of the pitchers you listed I wouldn't take over Buehrle. It's real close.

Title of this thread should be Freddy Garcia vs Daniel Hudson. With the Peavy/Pierre trades, there is literally no other options as far as starters go. I'm fairly certain we have to rank right at the bottom as far as pitching depth in the farm goes. That's why I'm in no hurry to trade Hudson.

Hilarious.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 09:13 AM) The Mariners? Is he gonna platoon at DH with Griffey? The Mariners are having a hell of an offseason. I have no idea why they'd be interested in Bradley. NM. It all makes perfect sense now.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 09:23 AM) In 07 he played 58 games, in 08 65 games, in 09, he made it to 123 games, but I know he had a shoulde problem most of the year, as he only hit .234, worst of his career. I dont know how much I'd trust to him play well and/or stay healthy. I wouldn't touch him. Even though he'd be a typical White Sox acquisition. A once productive player who's fallen off the map due to injuries, ect.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 08:57 AM) Depends on the pitcher. Didn't the Marlins wind up doing something similar with Beckett back in 03 before it really spread out? They brought Beckett outta the 'pen on 2 days rest in game 7 of the NLCS. That was a risky/desperation move that worked out. Not the same as what the Yankees were able to get away with due to excessive off days.

QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 08:56 AM) Jen Patterson just posted on FB that Bradley is going to the Mariners. Why would anyone trade for this guy. There's no way he was going to be back on the Cubs...they eventually would have just released him. The Mariners? Is he gonna platoon at DH with Griffey? The Mariners are having a hell of an offseason. I have no idea why they'd be interested in Bradley.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 12:46 AM) It's been brought up a few times here so I guess I'll ask... where did I "wish death upon him"? All I said was this f***wad got what he deserved. He didn't give a s*** about himself, never bothered to turn his life around (where is the proof of this??? soemone watched Hard Knocks and believed what the f***ing narrator said????? the Bengals never gave a s*** about off the field, i never saw proof that Henry gave a damn... he collected his millions and laughed). If he cared about his "kids" (ie his f*** trophies that just so happened to exist) he would have cut the s*** from day one. No chasing baby mama out da house and jumping in a moving truck bed and POUNDING ON THE BACK WINDOW. You guys are a bunch of jagbags jumping on me because I happen to be able to say something that isn't PC. Big f***ing deal. Chris Henry was a pile of human feces. I'd like anyone to argue that fact. "Aw man, that ain't cool dog. This sucka was gettin' his life straight n s***. s*** man. That poor family. They no longer have that ghetto pile of s*** gettin' arrested once a year at the least and tryin' ta beat on his girl. What a great guy. Chris Henry is Jesus. Chris Henry is the greatest person ever." I know I just exaggerated big time, but the point is there. You guys all the sudden want to defend this sack of s*** when he's no better than any of your classic crooks. My GOD if i jumped in the bed of a truck while it was speeding and stood up and died, I'd sure as f***ing s*** pray to God no one sobbed because I was dumb enough to do that s***. His kids are better off now... maybe they stand a chance because they won't grow up idolizing a piece of work like their father. They can eventually read how stupid he was, and how he pissed away millions given chance after chance. DUI's, domestic disputes, violence... yup, let's get behind this guy and all plead that we're holier than thou because we think it's so classless and old Stevo is such an asshole. This whole board freaked out because I called a spade a spade. Man I'm such an asshole. Give me a break. I'm glad Chris Henry is dead, it's better for his kids. Hyperbole at its absolute finest. But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I don't think anybody is saying you're wrong for feeling the way you do. But this is a public message board. When you post something as bold and brash as you originally did, you're putting yourself out there, for better or worse. What did you expect? Everybody was gonna be like "HAHAHAHA! YOU'RE RIGHT STEVE, YO! I'M GLAD THAT SUCKA'S DEAD! MAY HIS PUNK, THUGGISH ASS ROT IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!" Maybe that's what you were expecting? So since that's not what you got we're all "jagbags"? Next time, keep your thoughts on sensitive subjects to yourself if you're not able to handle any potential criticism that might stem from them.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) A lot of people hate Bernstein...but that final thing I posted...it's pretty spot on. I wasn't trying to prove my earlier points with that portion of the post, however. Just something kind of interesting he pointed out. Bernstein acts like that because he is usually right and listens to idiots all day who have no basis for their argument or opinion. He invites them to prove their point, but they can't do it. Bernstein actually knows a ton about sports, Boers doesn't add nearly as much. You either like him/show or hate him/show...I like. He also has a really good vocabulary. That's fine. But he's not the messiah of sports radio show hosts. You know who's the s***? Lawrence Holmes. He's every bit as good, if not better than Bernstein, and he doesn't come off as if he walks on water.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) I didn't say anyone was. But i don't think saying "asshole of the year" and whatnot is really an appropriate response, that's all. Edit: When I said "people" I meant in a general sense. Why is there sympathy for a loss of a wasted life? Is it sad for the family? Sure. But I don't think saying "he get got what was coming to him" says anything about the grief some people close to him might feel. It's a comment towards that specific individual. Well I didn't say 'asshole' of the year. I can only speak for myself. But 'he gawn,' IMO, is just straight over the top classless. And who are you to determine that at 26 he was a wasted life?? Is Marvin Lewis lying? Is Caron Palmer lying? Is X person lying when they say he was trying to turn his life around? Like I said earlier, I don't come from a family of flawless people. I've got an uncle who I love dearly, a guy that's probably gotten in more s*** than Henry had. So I can naturally have a bit more sympathy.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 07:34 PM) Yikes, when did this board become the moral center of the world? Steve, I agree with you 99.9%. I wouldn't WISH death upon him, but i'm certainly not going to sit back and reflect on a "loss" society just suffered. Clean the gene pool of people like this I say. I love when people try to spin this "tragedy." If he was in the midst of attempting to kill someone, and got shot, would we all be saying "oh what a terrible tragedy! oh whoa is me! He was TRYING to turn his life around!" The fact is this guy was a waste of flesh, was a complete thug his entire 26 year life, STILL got paid millions and millions to play an f'n game, and (in all likelihood) was killed being a complete moron while attempting domestic violence. Where is the tragedy exactly? If Steve get's the douchiest post of the year, Chris Henry get's a Darwin Award. And how has no one commented on his girlfriends myspace post?! WTF is that?! How long does it take to type that out? Who's doing that, though? Who's saying Chris Henry was some kinda angel and is a victim? NOBODY. But there's a way to go about certain things. What if we found out Jason was a drug dealer and he had a history of beating women? We would all feel bad because we know (or at least we think we know) him as the mastermind behind this great site. What if you had a family member who had a similar past such as Henry? I promise you there wouldn't be a single person from this board saying something like 'well, that Jason, he was scum and deserved what he got." Or something like "My uncle Mike deserves what he got because he was such a terrible person." There would be sympathy.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 07:12 PM) Of course nobody gets a lifetime pass, or anything close to it. That said, I don't see why Ozzie or Kenny should be pushed out the door just yet (especially the latter, who is definitely in the top third of GMs in the league). While Greg Walker might be a different story, Ozzie and Kenny aren't the reasons why the Sox missed the playoffs in '07 and '09. One of the problems with setting a bar of "90 wins or else" in December is that we all have a rather crude idea of how things will shake out in the Central this year. Could anybody have predicted that the Wild Card would come out of the Central in '06, but that the defending champs would win 90 games and still miss the playoffs? What if the Central is mediocre, but Mark tears his labrum, Peavy takes a line drive to the face, and CQ separates his shoulder? A lot can happen in the next 9 1/2 months. I did say in an earlier post that 'outside of crippling injuries,' there's no way we shouldn't take this division.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 06:36 PM) Steve got ripped because he dropped a "he gawn." That was a classless move, no doubt about it because it's like you were openly rooting for him to die. The guy has his issues, but I don't wish death upon him. But, Steve's right in that he did kind of have it coming to him, and he could have ended up killing that girl, who knows how it could have ended. Probably another arrest, at the least. Again, I wasn't rooting for him to die. I was hoping he would survive this and start to turn his life around - don't we all hope people turn their lives around? I will also say this. His kids are better off not having him as a father. Just because someone is your biological Dad doesn't make it great to have him around. A lot of kids are worse off for being with their fathers, and other kids are better off for being raised by someone else. I don't really see how that can be argued. Bernstein said it best at the end of the show. If you're a terrible person the best way to turn your life around...is to die. Then some people start feeling sad and saying great things about you. Your post was great until you brought up Bernstein. Dan Berstein is a tool in every sense of the word. He acts as if his s*** don't stink and if you dare disagree with him you're the retard of retards (don't even get me started on Boers). I wouldn't be referencing Dan Berstein in attempt to sell a particular point. His opinion means no more than some random bum on a street corner.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 06:30 PM) People tend to put over-value the contribution of a manager to a team's success. This isn't the NFL, where offensive and defensive schemes make all of the difference. Baseball mangers don't coach, they manage... pitch counts, egos, etc. They fill out the lineup card, sit in the dugout, eat sunflower seeds, pull the starter when he's out of gas, and talk to the media afterwards. If it's a really important game, they might talk to Joe Buck in the 5th inning. Managers are primarily leaders and motivators. A good pitching coach (Don Cooper, Dave Duncan, Mel Stottlemyre, Leo Mazzone) will help a team win a lot more games than a good manager. If you want to point fingers, point them at the declining, injury-prone veterans who didn't get it done in 2007 and 2009. You know, I agree with most of this. But I'm not giving Ozzie, or even KW, a free lifetime pass for 2005 (not that it matters what the hell I think). With this rotation in place, there's no excuses. I figure 90 games will be what it takes to win this division. If we can't do that, somebody has or should take the fall.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 06:24 PM) nick johnson just has to pass his physical and he'll be signed by the yanks for 1 yr,5.5mil. oh well On paper, they might be better than they were in 2009. That's kinda scary.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 02:24 AM) damn relievers are making a lot of money and its not even the elite ones anymore, although Gonzalez has sick stuff. QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 02:28 AM) I admire Baltimore's competitiveness, but that is alot of cash for Mike Gonzalez. Gonzalez has been anywhere from really good to outstanding every year since 2004. His K/9 during these years is 10.7. He's just really good. Of course, will see how he fares against AL caliber competition. But I don't see this as a bad signing for the O's at all. Most of their core is years away from when you have to start paying them. And they've still got more guys on the way. So 'overpaying' for a Gonzales is not that big a deal for them.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 05:42 PM) How dare you sarcastically speak ill of a human? So you're implying you were being sarcastic now? You made your feelings on the subject known. Don't try and backtrack now. And it's nothing personal from my standpoint by the way. I've got no problem with you at all. You just came off in extremely poor taste. If you go the route of Shack, I guarantee you wouldn't have gotten the reception you did.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 05:05 PM) To be fair, wasn't the sexual assault allegation later retracted? Yes it was. b**** made it up and was eventually charged for filing a fake police report.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 04:25 PM) Ok. I apologize in advance to all those I am about to offend. I'm not going to be as heartless as Steve here, but let's keep things in perspective. This guy was chasing his fiance out of the house and then diving into the back of a moving pickup truck as she tried to get away from him. He was then reportedly beating on the rear window, apparently trying to break in to either assault her more, or scream at her, or who knows what. What if he had a knife? Or a gun? What if he threatened to kill her? We honestly don't know the particulars. If there is one thing that we should have all learned from the Tiger Woods debacle is things may not be what the initially seem. Before anyone starts canonizing this guy, or vilifying the guy, we should probably wait for more of the details to emerge. One thing I do know, is that we all like to forgive and forget all the bad things someone has done in their lifetime when they die, while as they live, we all feel free to judge and mock them all we like. If he had not been seriously injured, we would all be laughing our asses off at what a fool and an idiot Chris Henry is. If this was some random person, we would probably be doing it even if the guy did die. So while I don't necessarily think saying the guy "got what he deserved" is a particularly tactful thing to say, I think all of us participating in some mourning session because of the family he left behind is very disingenuous. Now this is a decent post. I can roll with this. "He gawn?" Sorry, you just look like a dumbass with a comment like that. It's just so easy for regular people like us (I.E. no matter what we do, good or bad, it's not going to be out there for the whole world to know) to get on Chris Henry, or any public figure for that matter. Now me, I don't come from a family of Mr. Rogers clones. I know some good people that have done some f***ed up s***. And it wasn't just a one-time occurrence either. s***, I've done some f***ed up s***. I've never raped or assaulted a female or whatever, but let's just say I'm glad I'm not famous. Because I wouldn't want the world to know about all the skeletons I've got in my closet. There's no comin' back from death. When you die, that's it. And that's always sad, IMO. In Chris's case, he seemed to be turning his life around. At least that's what I've read from numerous people that knew him, Marvin Lewis and his teammates. When somebody as obnoxious as Ocho Cinco is crying in front of the whole world, that leads me to believe the guy probably wasn't Hitler reincarnated. He was all of 26 (my age by the way). So there was plenty of time for 'redemption.'

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) Makes no difference. Dude managed the Sox to a World Championship, which leads me to believe he can do it again. Unless you can give Whitey Herzog youth pills, I see no proven upgrade that would be available. Ozzie is a part-time idiot, his mouth isn't always connected to his brain, he is an offensive fool, and he does some strange chit with the lineup...but the dude HATES losing, ALWAYS has his players back (unless he's the one beating on it), and brings personality to a game that is too often vanilla. Long live Oz!!!! I already admitted that my original post in this thread was knee-jerk. Ozzie can just really get on your nerves at times. I will say this much...2010 should be a put up or shut up type year for him. 2005 was wonderful and will never forget. But we're a Rick Hahn's son coin flip away from missing the playoffs 4 years in a row. With the team we have in place now, even if it's flawed, there's no reason (outside of crippling injuries) that we shouldn't take the central. NONE.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Well it wouldn't be a gaping hole cause Huddy would step on in. That said I wouldn't be trading Danks either, cause I just don't want to f*** with this rotation, it's too damn good and John is a huge part of that. You'd be taking a risk of mammoth proportions to trade Danks and assume that Dan Hudson could step right in and effectively fill that void. I sure as hell wouldn't want to take that chance. QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) I don't know... I think I would pull the trigger. I think Hudson could step in and fill that hole just fine. Now if the Padres were talking about the Danks brothers AND hudson, I would have a problem. They could ask all they want. If KW didn't immediately hang the phone up right afterwards he should be canned.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 12:01 AM) LOL guys, come on. Not only was he a POS who had anything he wanted if he just applied himself but f***ed up all the time, but he also JUMPED INTO THE BACK OF A PICKUP TRUCK THAT WAS SPEEDING AWAY. What a f***ing moron. Do I wish death upon him? No. Do I care if he dies because of his stupid action? After getting countless chances before this? Nope. Cool, maybe you outta be the one to sit his children down and explain to them how they no longer have a father. Maybe you can comfort him mother and father. Afterall, losing a son shouldn't be too rough since he was such a horrific human being. Maybe you can explain to the people that actually KNEW him, people that he was really close to, that it's no big deal. That he was a monster.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 09:34 AM) Would you guys be okay with losing the Danks brothers if it meant landing Adrian Gonzalez? Nope. AG upgrades the offense while creating a gaping hole in the rotation.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 09:47 AM) During the regular season probably, but during the playoffs , absolutely not. Well SP depth will be a lot more important come October now that they're going to have less off days during the playoffs. This past postseason was absolutely ridiculous. You're not going to be able to get away with 3-man rotations or being able to have your top pitcher go 3 times in a series if need be.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 08:08 AM) Yes. He still has more division titles and winning seasons than any other manager in recent memory. The sox used to go to the playoffs essentially once a decade. Since KW and Ozzie have taken over the team they have been very successful compared to previous administrations. You're right. That was kinda knee-jerk. I've just had it with his obsession with rotating DH's and DH flexibility. Ozzie would be so much better off in the NL.