Jordan4life_2007

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Feb 10, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) Everyone who is complaining about trading young. Would you have rather traded Brian Anderson? It's hard to say. Personally, I feel Young will be the better player. Then again, Anderson is ready now. Young doesn't project to be ready until 07. So if we had traded Anderson instead, who's our cf for 06?

Can anybody give some kind of scouting report on this guy? I've never heard of him.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 10, 2006 -> 01:39 AM) You could easily change your post to read, this time last year .... .... and have been totally mistaken. So true. I never even looked at it like that.

Anybody read the Leonard Pope interview on the front page of NFLDraftCountdown? He says he's up to 260 now. This dude is gonna be a monster. I pray we get him.

QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 11:02 PM) Good luck with finding more? It was actually really easy. Andy Pettitte: 11-2, 1.69 ERA, 0.91 WHIP Tom Glavine: 7-6, 2.22 ERA, 1.01 WHIP (people won't like it because of his record, but lack of run support answers that) Kevin Millwood: 6-4, 2.25 ERA, 1.15 WHIP Jorge Sosa: 9-2, 2.31 ERA, 1.36 WHIP (the WHIP drops his value, but he's still around as good as Contreras was) Roger Clemens: 6-5, 2.42 ERA, 1.09 WHIP Noah Lowry: 8-4, 2.43 ERA, 1.10 WHIP John Lackey: 8-1, 2.57 ERA, 1.20 WHIP Joe Blanton: 7-5, 2.65 ERA, 1.16 WHIP Carlos Zambrano: 8-2, 2.65 ERA, 1.06 WHIP Mark Mulder: 6-3, 2.77 ERA, 1.37 WHIP (same as Sosa) Jeff Suppan: 7-3, 2.78 ERA, 1.26 WHIP Scott Kazmir: 7-2, 2.79 ERA, 1.43 (same as Sosa and Mulder) Shawn Chacon: 7-5, 2.90 ERA, 1.23 WHIP Dontrelle Willis: 9-6, 2.91 ERA, 1.13 WHIP Josh Towers: 7-5, 2.91 ERA, 1.15 WHIP All of these guys were as good as, or better than, Contreras was in the second half. If you want to specify as to each month (which would help Contreras's case since he had a great August and September), thats a different matter. But as for their entire second halves.. I only used players with 14 or more starts. Zach Duke (12 starts), Felix Hernandez (12 starts), Matt Cain (7 starts), Brandon McCarthy (5 starts), Jake Peavy (13 starts), and others would have qualified otherwise. Now, if you were saying "good luck to that" in terms of trying to show anyone that Contreras wasn't the best pitcher in the league, then thanks Well, I was thinking more along the lines of August and September. And I also look at the fact he was money in the post-season. But outta that list, only Pettite in my opinion was as good or slightly better than Jose.

Daley needs to give Ozzie a break. The guy probably gets to spend time with his family all of 2 months out of the year.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 11:31 PM) I'll just say this w/r/t Thome -- he wouldn't be the first big-slugger type to hit his mid-30s, and then just fall off of a cliff. Of course, he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who's lazy, and it also helps that Herm Schnieder (sp?) and co. are one of the best trainings staffs in baseball, but still. He's anything but a sure thing going into 2006. And Chris Young... man, it sucks he isn't with the Sox anymore. If the Mike Cameron defensive comparisons are spot on, I'd say that he could already come up and just catch the ball, and still be better than a lot of major league CFers. If his combo of power and OBP is for real, and he becomes that .280/.380/.500 type player? Yikes... That's a star right there. Oh, and here's my Ross Gload plug. I think he would've put up better numbers if given the same PA as Everett last year. I think will probably know by the end of April if Thome's 05 was a fluke or if he's really in decline. Either way, I feel it was a risk worth taking. And I no doubt hated giving up Young. I wish we could've given up Sweeney instead. However, I try and look at the positives. We've got a very talented 29 year old pitcher locked up for the next 3 years. A guy that gives us a better chance to repeat as World Champions. I can't agree on Ross Gload. I don't think he's a scrub or anything. But I don't think he could cut in as an everyday player.

Down 28 going into the 4th. Atleast Tyson is having another solid game. He should end up with 20 rebounds tonight.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 11:04 PM) Once more i am talking about last off-season... Either way everett sucks. You mean the off-season of 2004? Alright then. I ask again, who could we have realistically gotten? Everett was pretty good insurance at the time. Nobody knew he was gonna struggle most of 2005.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 10:50 PM) My problem is that if you keep giving up stud youngsters for guys with some question marks something is eventually going to go horribly wrong. The guys you get aren't always going to make a major impact, just like the prospects aren't always going to pan out. Wells and Ritchie ended up being less than stellar acquisitions, and we were fortunate that none of the guys we gave up did anything major. With the exception of dealing Sosa for Bell, none of our guys that we dealt have become major players, at least as long as I can remember. Other teams have had much more bad luck on that front than we have, and if things really go wrong you can cost yourself 6 cheap years for a high productive player, something everyone needs. What if we had slipped up and dealt Thomas, Buehrle, Lee (we did eventually, but he got us a lot more value when we did deal him), Jenks, or B-Mac? People on this board would be going nuts. Many of us didn't like the deals when we made them, imagine if some of the youngsters actually did something. I don't get all the hypotheticals. What if the Pirates had traded Bonds back in 87? What if the Mariners had traded Griffey back in 1990? Like I said, you have some cases in where you don't mess with your prospects. But prospects in general are a crapshoot. Some pan out. Many don't. We had the number one ranked farm system in the game in 2001. How many of those guys are in the majors now? I believe Freddy was actually leading the AL in era at the time of the trade in 04. And he had, had plenty of success before that. And what do you mean he isn't a world beater? Define world beater. Is Jeremy Reed a world beater? How bout Mike Morse or Miguel Olivo? Freddy played a huge part on a World Series title team. I'd say he won that trade. What makes you think Vazquez is gonna suck? And the main reason the trade was made is to have some insurance in case they can't sign Contreras. If we don't, it won't be because of Vazquez. So what you're saying is we should trade guys that have no chance of being good to other teams for proven talent? I wish it worked that way. To get, you have to give.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 10:56 PM) Troy Percival was a pretty dominant closer in his younger years with 2 pitches as well...a high 90s fastball and the occasional 12-to-6 curve. I see no reason for Jenks to have to develop a curve. He can be dominant as hell as is. You mean a change.

QUOTE(Felix @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 10:11 PM) Hopefully the green is meant for that part too. If not: Johan Santana Post-ASB: 9-2, 1.59 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, .192 BAA Jose Contreras Post-ASB: 11-2, 2.96 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, .236 BAA And I wasn't really trying to look. If I did, I could probably find others who were better than Contreras. Good luck with that.

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) He only had 3 CHARGED errors, but it was closer to 15 with all the misreads on balls that don't show up in the box score. Owens was 4th on Birmingham CF depth chart last year and in my opinion will not start in CF for Charlotte this season much less in Chicago. Unlike most of us, BHAM actually gets to watch the games. I think he knows what he's talking about.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) We traded for everett again in 2004 mid way through the season. I don't understand the reason to bring up geoff blum. If we were able to make two three trades this off-season i don't see any reason we couldn't do anything more substantial the previous off-season. I don't buy that there just wasn't any sort of trade market out there. I think they just were content with everett and were hopinh for another .800 ops type season from him. If you say so. I don't think it was just coincidence that not a single team last year was able to make any significant deals.

Terrible first half. I don't even know what to say. You know, despite being 6 games under .500, the Kings have some damn good talent.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:59 PM) UCLA holds Wash St. to 30 tonight. Beyond pathetic.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:59 PM) Proof? Oh, or maybe it's just speculation...He said he would have stayed as recently as yesterday in the trib... That's not what I read 5 years ago. I remember reading him saying that he couldn't take all the losing. He never came out himself and said he wanted out. But his agent and those close to him all said he was gone the first chance he got.

I think Lebron's biggest problem on d is he doesn't have very good lateral movement. That's surpring when you consider how athletically gifted he is.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:53 PM) Pushing Artest after the hard foul. None of that would've started if Ben hadn't pushed Artest. Rasheed, on the other hand, is just a thug. He's a whiney b****. LMAO. I like you, man.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:47 PM) Gettiing back on topic somewhat, do you guys think we should draft J.J. Reddick this summer? In the second round if he's available.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) The Wallace brothers are responsible for the brawl, not Artest. That's why they're thugs. And there fans aren't very nice people. They're rude, obnoixuis, and dumb, and drunken bastards. They're like Cubs fans multiplied by Yankees fans. Cubs fans are drunk and stupid and somewhat rude, Yankees fans are very rude and obniouxus WTF? What did Ben and Rasheed have to do with some idiot fan throwing a cup of whatever on Artest?

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) 84368 different players could have been acquired. He put up a .746 ops this year which is just disgusting from a player that was our three hole hitter the majority of the season. I believe williams just reacquired him because he liked his attitude when we traded for him before and was familar with him. Overall he played s***ty but we ended up with a world series championship so i am not gonna complain much . How do you figure? Kenny tried to make like 5 different deals last year and we ended up with Geoff Blum. There's nobody we could've gotten last year that would've been better than Everett.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:31 PM) I'm not arguing that we didn't get crap back for them, or that they were bad deals, I'm just kind of worried that he's seemingly shifting towards trading our top prospects more. B-Mac is about the only guy that I always thought was pretty safe, and obviously he was planning on keeping Anderson around. This was also the first time that I really thought that we were trading high-ceiling guys like Young and Gio (I guess Wells was too). What's the problem with trading them if you're getting proven major league talent in return? Neither Young or Gio were gonna help us this year. With Thome and Vazquez, we got a legitimate shot at winning another title. I don't see a problem with Kenny's philosiphy. Freddy was inconsistent? And Kenny doesn't make the deal if he didn't think he could lock Freddy up long term. Which he was able to do. Thome is somewhat of a risk, but everything points to him being healthy in 06. Think Kenny even considers the deal if he had doubts? Vazquez has been inconsistent the last year and a half. But the talent is undeniable. You don't think Ozzie and Coop will make a difference?

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:36 PM) Sure LeBron dazzels and all, but I'm glad we got Hinrich. Hinrich is a solid shooter, and unlike LeBron, he actually plays defense. Keep in mind, Hinrich was a member of the all-rookie first team that year. Dude, you're killin me.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Feb 9, 2006 -> 09:33 PM) Our draft pick is gonna be right in the same neighborhood if we miss the playoffs or make them and get swept. And I said last lotto pick My bad. I didn't read what you typed properly. I totally agree then.