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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 01:26 PM) I've also heard they're there to discourage drug use in the bathrooms at clubs/venues, but I dunno how true that is. They discourage sex because its harder to get a girl in the guys bathroom. Doesnt really impact drug use, could impact someone oding on floor.

I dont mind them at clubs when I want some candy. But I dislike them at bars.

Im fine using these last few weeks to evaluate Cutler.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 04:12 PM) And we're in the middle of a playoff race...an important fact in this scenario of who should be starting, an injured star player or his back up that is playing well. I also dont believe that Cutler is 100% healthy and Im worried that due to the fact its likely to be cold he has a chance to re-injure himself or not play effectively.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) Danny O'Brien says different. He said you gave a few chances. Im pretty sure that my feelings on Bret Bielema are well known. He may have a learning disability, hes just remarkably dumb. I think he may have cost Wisconsin a NC shot when they had Russel Wilson.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) Of course I believe that Cutler is the more talented, better player, absolutely. A talented starting QB doesnt lose his job to an injury, especially when he comes back that season. They almost ALWAYS get a chance to prove themselves again. I gave him a chance against Detroit and he lied to me. I dont give second chances.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 03:48 PM) Maybe that cliche is overused, but, yeah, if a 25 year old who hasn't played much before comes in and looks fantastic it's different than a 35 year old with a track record of meh. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) Yup, younger and unproven, absolutely. Old with a long track record, back to the bench. Im fine with this reasoning, just dont say its because Cutler was injured. Its about your lack of faith in McCown and your belief that Cutler is better. I just think its irrational to keep a player X as a starter if you believe that player Y is better, just because player X happened to get injured and thats how you found out about player Y.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 03:41 PM) Not sure if you can compare young unproven guys who get a chance to a 34 year old journeyman who was coaching HS football a year ago. So if McCown was 25 then its different? Either starters dont lose their job to injury, or its just a meaningless cliche that people use when they dont want to make a tough decision. I vote the latter.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) Montana's arm was f***ed up when he came back. (He missed all of 1991 and all but one game of 1992) Then they traded him. Not a good example. If anything Young could be used as an example of the incumbent losing his job temporarily when Steve Bono took it. Then that would work. Montana demanded a trade, he was traded to KC and went to a Pro Bowl his first year and to the AFC Championship game his last year. He also put up Qb ratings of 87.4 and 83.6 respectively. As an FYI Cutler has only 1 season where he played more than 10 games and put up an 87.4. Regardless, all of this argument is just proving my overall point that the safer pick is to go with the starter and say "Starters dont lose their jobs to injury".

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) What? Joe Montana was injured so Steve Young took over. When Joe Montana was healthy in 1992 he played one half of the last game of the season against Detroit. They then replaced him with Young for the playoffs. Or is the rule that if you get injured and then there is an offseason, all bets are off? I guess I just dont know what the sacred "if youre injured you dont lose your starting job" rule is.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) Then we'd have no Tom Brady. Steve Young says hi too. But Rocks statement is exactly my point. Its just safer to say "Starters dont lose their job to injuries" and not really take a risk.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) I think that is a little drastic. Cutler could leave anyways(and Marshall as well), it doesnt affect Trestmans job status because Cutler left, disgruntled or not. If Cutler leaves, it is up to Emery to either draft(preferable obviously) his heir or sign one. At that point, Trestman needs to show he can continue to coach up a QB within his offense. I dont think Emery is going to ignore the offense like Angelo did, either. I think he really embraces the new NFL offensive ideals. If Cutler leaves after Trestman stood by him, Trestman is completely absolved. He cant be blamed. If Cutler leaves after Trestman benches him... And how can you say Angelo ignored offense. Didnt he trade for Cutler? I swear that cost a bunch of picks. Didnt he draft Forte? He also drafted Cedric Benson. It wasnt that Angelo ignored offense, it was that he hired bottom barrel offensive coordinators with low ceiling QBs. Thats pretty much a disaster.

Eh I really disagree about how much job security NFL coaches have. Kubiak went to the AFC Championship game 2x and was fired this year. It just takes 1 year of the wheels falling off and its over. And thats why playing McCown is such a huge risk. If the wheels were to fall off next year under McCown and Cutler did amazing for another team, it would be hard to justify keeping Trestman.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 02:28 PM) Eh, I don't think his job is on the line at all. Despite a .500 season Trestman's turned around a terrible offense into a great one in less than a year with a backup QB and a potentially league-worse defense. If he picks McCown, McCown loses, Cutler leaves, Marshall leaves, etc, his career will quickly be done. Its why Cutler will be starting because for Trestman it really makes little career sense to start McCown and take so much heat. (edit) To be more clear, if you start McCown over a healthy Cutler I doubt there is anyway you can bring Jay back. It also means you likely are going to try and bring McCown as the Qb next year or another QB. If those guys fail, Cutler goes berserk on another team, people would be calling for Trestmans head.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) I am only using his term in which I apparently am bunched in, as I don't see why the Cutler fan club refuses to admit to several flaws in his game. If it isn't his receivers, its his line, or its the opposing defense. It's always something besides Jay. Some people have a hard time admitting he sometimes just has a lousy game. OTOH, if McCown really is a guy who can be this good for more than just a stretch, you would think that by now he would have been in a few pro bowls and super bowls and probably cemented his path to Canton. There is no question he has been outstanding. IMO, if you could reasonably determine he would be able to keep it up, there is absolutely no reason to pay Cutler what he would command. The fact that the Bears are going back to Cutler seems to indicate what they currently think. Opportunities are a strange thing. Sometimes you look at history and go "What if". I think Cutler is the safe play if you are Trestman. Playing McCown would be a bold move, the type of move that puts your HC job on the line very quick if it goes wrong. I imagine Trestman feels that this may be his 1 shot at a HC job in the NFL, and its hard to risk it all on McCown. That being said, I would. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle and when you do, you have to take advantage of that moment, you cant fear the unknown.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:36 PM) Agreed. I just think if he doesn't drop 350 on them he's gonna get bashed by the meatheads. I expect 250-275 and a couple TDs. Im not sure what you are talking about. You just seem to want to attack anyone who doesnt blindly support Jay Cutler. That being said, I think most Cutler critics dont care about yards. Yards is a stupid stat. Who cares if you threw for 500 yards if you had 10 picks and your team lost 500-0? I think what people will validly compare is how the offense runs under Cutler v. McCown. IE Now that Jay is back will we again start wasting time outs because: calls arent being understood or because we cant get plays off in time. I think that people will compare whether Jay gets the ball out as quickly as McCown, whether he makes as good of reads, whether he calls as good of audibles. That has nothing to do with yards. Winning Super Bowls and championships isnt about how many yards you throw for, otherwise Marino would have .... So for the sake of all of our sanity, stop trying to predict what people will say after the game.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 10:11 AM) Seriously? My biggest concern would be the fall out. A lot of friends and family have met this girl and I the same of hers. To break it off over something like this, I'm sure I'd be judged to kingdom come (from my family too). I don't want to force her but I also feel myself not being attracted to her anymore. I probably just need to man up and get it over with but I just feel like I would be a s***ty person for doing this. I dated a girl for almost 5 years, lived with her for almost 2. Sometimes things end. Years later Im lucky that it happened, because I could be married with kids right now. You do what makes you happy, because if you dont, everyone will be miserable.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) How would folks suggest reacting to a DMCA notice from an ISP? My sense, from looking at this link (the ISP in question is the one mentioned in the article) is to not respond on their first strike even if "innocent" Isnt the first notice just saying that they are going to turn over your ip address unless you file a motion to quash. Because if that is the notice, then you are caught in a hilarious catch 22. You can not file a motion to quash as a john doe, so youd have to file an appearance and thus they know who you are anyways. That being said the subpoena is going to be granted anyways so might as well just see what happens.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) Do you work at Kent? I know you've asked FFC before, I don't work there anymore but you guys do get a nice discount if you do indeed work there. I work across the street from Kent and Ive considered that FFC, just not sure what I want to do haha.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) Seems to be a dying industry for some reason. I am not sure why the jewish deli kind of died away in chicago as well. IN the west loop I had alot of choices for italian delis, but I suspect even those are being forced out at some point. Its depressing. Here in Oak Park we only have Alpine, which is awesome, but I wouldnt mind another real deli. I told my dad the other day that a good idea would be to open a jewish style deli near Kent Law school. For whatever reason there just arent that many.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 01:43 PM) The cold cut combo at Subway has really fallen off, never again getting that thing. This is pretty much the only sub ive ordered from Subway in approximately 25 years. I know Im too good for it now, but every once in a while I get one.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) Im curious what you deem as fair value for Cutler. In a vacuum, knowing what you know now, what would you be willing to spend? Ideally Id like to give him $7-8 mil with incentives for 4-5 years. Id be fine with $10mil per year with possible incentives to make it up to $15. Anything over $12mil and Id probably go in another direction. Unless my team was already fine and I had money to spend and then Id probably give him $15-20 with the contract being styled so that I could cut him later on.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:49 PM) But nobody's going to be beating down McCown's door with starting QB offers. He may get a shot to compete for a starting job, teams would be stupid not to let him. That being said, its not really relevant to whether its a good idea to spend $15mil plus on a single player in system with a salary cap. Which is ultimately the point of this discussion. It doesnt matter if Cutler is better than McCown, it matters if Cutler is worth $15mil per season to the Bears in a salary cap age. I used to think yes, Im starting to think no. (edit) I do like how the argument of Cutler apologists is to attack McCown. How does McCown being bad/good/indifferent have anything to do with whether Cutler (or any player) is worth $15mil per season? Especially given how many injuries there are in football.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:38 PM) You are right, a game against Vikings shows who is the better QB. Flacco vs. Vikings - 64.2 Romo vs. Vikings - 90.1 Eli vs. Vikings - 81.1 Big Ben vs. Vikings - 90.6 Stafford vs. Vikings - 96.8 I guess McCown is also a better QB than Flacco, Romo, Eli Manning, Big Ben, & Stafford. Maybe the Bears should ask for a straight up trade, Stafford for McCown? Interestingly Im not sure all of those teams are happy about how much they are paying those QBs this year. File under things that may you go hmmmmmmm.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) No, it isn't. You're just being silly now. eta: you could very well be right about McCown being much smarter than Cutler, but let's see some evidence beyond TD:INT and "don't you watch the games?!" I realize that what I'm asking for would be a lengthy piece for a professional sports writer and would take a ton of effort to produce, though. Unfortunately I dont have the time to go through every single play call this season and show you what Ive seen. What I can say is that you can go back to the first game McCown played and I was making these comments. I could list all the little things that I notice about Cutler/McCown and why that supports my opinion, but it really is nothing more than reading tea leaves. Nobodies have had seasons better than hall of fame players for unexplainable reasons or just due to natural variance. All I can say is that youd think for $10mil+ more per year it wouldnt even be up for argument. I dont really know. I used to be fine with Cutler, now I just think the more prudent move may be to spend the money elsewhere.