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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 07:57 PM) Unlike 98% of this site, I can flat out admit when I'm wrong. Something has clicked for him, at least defensively. He could always block shots (not like this). But he's totally taken over the defensive side of the game since last postseason. And to be fair I was one of the few who was really high on Hibbert after college.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 03:34 PM) Cliff also said Lyle will be joining him. Does lyle even have a KU offer? Or could that be why its flipping, that Self offered lyle to get Alexander.

I think that means Tolzien is the QB.

I just saw Pretty Lights at Aragon. Id never heard it before so no idea really what I was supposed to expect. But it was fantastic. Blew the roof off good. And Kanye you better blow my mind because Im waiting an extra month.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 11:38 AM) I don't think anyone would argue with that statement. I know I wouldn't. And I would even argue that for you, Jay-Z is the better agent. But picking someone new to the business to overtake the #2 spot, and make it seem as if he won't have any problems, is kind of absurd. If you believe the record industry and baseball where that similar, shouldn't you agree that Boras could start a successful record label? I dont know if Jay Z will do anything. Quite frankly I think hell get bored of it pretty fast and sell it to another agency. That has been his historical model. Make brand, sell it for a lot of money. I see no reason why this wouldnt be similar. Boras couldnt start a record label because he has no access in that industry. Jay Z was able to because he was putting his own records out on the label. Boras has no talent to do that. And Im not predicting Jay Z will beat Boras. I just found the Dr Suess Jay Z thing insulting and I wanted to go to bat for Jay Z.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 11:34 AM) No, the Big10 will still be bad because Iowa, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Penn State, Northwestern, Nebraska, Minnesota, & Michigan aren't good. The best team in the country can come from a bad conference. You do realize most conferences have 2-3 good teams? Where are these unicorn conferences with all great teams? Florida beat Toledo so they are awesome?!?!?! Georgia beat North Texas!!! Auburn beat Wash St by 7 @ Auburn, AMAZING!!! What exactly makes you believe in other conferences so much, when every other conference is as insulated as the big10? Its all hype, no one really has a clue how good any of these mid- low level teams are.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 11:24 AM) That doesn't make Jay-Z a better agent. I dont know if Jay Z will be a better agent. That is fortune telling. What I believe is that Jay Z has the capability to run just as good of an agency as Boras.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 11:26 AM) Possibly. The OOC games are improving quite a bit in the next few years. Yeah Wisconsin is only planning on playing some no name teams like LSU and Alabama. Because you know, its the first time the SEC was willing to agree to play Wisconsin. Because you know, they refuse to play @ Camp Randall or when its cold. Because you know, thats what good teams do. LOL SEC has been dodging Big 10 teams for years. They only wanted to play in neutral sites in the South.

When OSU beats Alabama in the NC, then the Big10 will still be bad because Iowa isnt good? What type of logic is that. Its like saying that Alabama isnt good because Arkansas would be the worst team in the Big10. Just does not compute.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 11:03 AM) Speaking of business success. Boras created the second most valuable sports agency in the world, according to Forbes Magazine. I couldn't find a list that Roc-A-Feller was on. Which you consider a bigger accomplishment is of course, a personal opinion. Clearly, if you are going to pick an agent by facebook likes, the choice is clear. If you want the guy that Obama goes to for help with the black community, there is one choice. If you need a cultural icon, you now have that choice. If you want an agent more popular than you, grab him. If you want what I believe will be solid representation, and one of the best role models for leveraging individual talent into a brand, Jay-Z will be a good choice. If you want a guy that has been involved in the biggest contracts ever. (and that isn't for everyone!) I know who I would sign with. Roc A Fella was bought by Def Jam Records. As part of the deal Jay Z became CEO of Def Jam. If you want an agent who uses old school hard sell tricks to try and get you more money, sure go with Boras. But I believe that those guys dont get the most money for their clients. Just because he got A-Rod $250mil, doesnt mean he couldnt have gotten him $300 mil. And that is the part I will never convince you of. I dont like people who negotiate like Boras. I think they leave money on the table. And thats why Id never sign with Boras. He could never convince me to sit out an entire year to try and get an extra mil. I think its not a good long term decision and I think many times Boras lets his own ego get in the way of whats best for his client. So this really isnt about Jay Z at all. I wouldnt pick Boras unless I wasnt a very good player and I thought he would be able to get me a lot of money when I wasnt worth very much. But If I was a MVP/All-Star there would be no way in hell Id associate with Boras. But that isnt for everyone.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 11:02 AM) The B1G is awful and they haven't played anybody. That's pretty much the reason. Similar to when Boise couldn't get love in the BCS even though they would start the season off with a big OOC win (like UGA, Va tech, or Oregon). Is the B1G stronger than the MWC? Probably, but it still looks like one of the weakest power conferences. The Big is awful because that is what ESPN tells you. Havent played anybody? Alabama has played 0 ranked OOC games. FSU 0 ranked OOC games Its impossible to tell how good any of these teams are. But OSU hasnt lost in 2 years, and that should mean something.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) You mean like Boras getting the best players in baseball to come into his fold versus another agent? Right, Boras used to be the most famous agent on the block. Now hes not. Thats exactly what we are talking about. Finally you recognize the problem for Boras. In Jay Zs first move as an agent, he took a Boras client who stood to make Boras's company a lot of money. It should be extremely troubling for Boras that Jay was able to get such a big name on his first go around. Especially as it wasnt a Ricky Williams where he had no previous agent. Cano had Boras, already had a lot of money and decided that Jay would be better. Jay Z can sell a dream that Boras cant.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:43 AM) No one likes Scott Boras, so what. Has it ever stopped him? Look at the contracts the guy has gotten for his guys, despite being reviled. The guy has gotten 3 $200 million contracts. He has gotten 10 $100 million deals. He was the first agent to break the $50 million, $100 million, and $200 million levels. If ARod could have kept his s*** together, he would have been teh first over $300 million already as well. He also own the records for the biggest first professional contracts signed, both from a HS and college player. Its not really hard to get teams to pay the most talented players the most money. The hard part is convincing the talent to come to your organization over another organization. There are plenty of far more talented negotiators/contract drafters than Boras. Hes not even that accomplished if you add in all of the lawyers in the world who do this for massive corporations where $200mil contracts are not close to $1bil deals. I actually believe that Boras could have many times gotten more money for clients. I think that his tactics of ostracized certain teams into not even making offers has hurt clients.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) Seriously, What the f***?! Where did I ever say he was a clueless rapper? How many times do I have to say he's a successful businessman and players would do well to emulate him? How many times do I have to say he will be successful? One area, endorsements, I don't see it being a slam dunk for him. Anything short of Jay-Z is the greatest and will crush all competition gets attacked. Did I quote your statements? Someone in this thread compared Jay Z to Dr Suess and said flippantly that he could "rhyme". Thats a joke. A guy doesnt make $500mil, become friends with people like Warren Buffett because hes some stupid rapper who can just put together a few verses.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:30 AM) We've been discussing their personal impact. But if you want to mention staffs. Boras' legal team have been drafting sports contracts since 1985? Including the largest and most complex. Wow, it's almost like running a record company. Of course I guess it is possible he wrote up the Prince Fielder contract himself. If its just personal impact, it isnt close. Baseball wonks on message boards know who Scott Boras is, not many others. Scott Boras facebook 489 likes. Scott Boras twitter 706 followers. Jay Z facebook 18mil likes. Jay Z twitter 3mil followers. Warren Buffet facebook 500k. Twitter 700k One of those guys just doesnt belong. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/1011/ric...-interview.html Hint, hes the guy who wasnt invited to the Buffett/Forbes interview.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) And btw, I said at least four times in this thread that he will be successful, I just did not see it being a slam dunk over anyone. I dont think anything in the world is a slam dunk. The biggest thing working against Jay is the probability that he gets bored with it. I wouldnt be surprised if in 5 years Boras agency buys Jay out, with Jay becoming a figurehead. Thats basically what hes done with all of his brands.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) Is there anything that Jay-Z can't do? Hes not really good at partying or doing drugs. Hes kind of straight edge. Im pretty sure hes bad at sports. And I bet Boras can write a better agreement. I mean lets be honest here. Boras used his friends with talent to get into the agent game. His first clients were ex-teammates and those 2 guys are now on his staff. Actually kind of similar to what Jay is doing. Yet Jay is a clueless rapper?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:16 AM) It's not "you guys." It's Tex. Southsider said something similar when he compared Jay Z to Dr. Suess and said hes good at rhyming and that hes never done this before.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 8, 2013 -> 10:11 AM) Again, he's hiring like actual sports agents...you know he's not just going to draft the agreements himself, right? You mean he has a stable of lawyers dating back to the formation of Roc A Fella Records? You mean hes been signing talent to labels since 1995? Damn its almost like running a record label is similar to being a sports agent. Although I guess its possible that Jay Z wrote up the Kanye agreement himself. Thatd make sense.

You guys have very little knowledge of Jay-Z. Sean Carter (his real name) founded a label called "Roc-A-Fella Records" aka "the Roc". Perhaps youve heard Kayne reference this in his rap. Anyway, Jay-Z founded the roc and then leveraged the Roc label into becoming CEO for Def Jam and having Def Jam purchase the Roc. Jay-Z also has something called proteges, his most famous being Kanye West. So when you compare Boras and Cater, compare them as business men. Boras net worth- approximately $100 mil. Derived almost exclusively from being a sports agent. Jay Z net worth- approximately $500mil. Derived from branding. Roc A Wear, sold for $204 million. Co Brand director of Budweiser select, Def Jam, Roc, etc. So if the question is, who has more experience creating brands for talent, the answer is Jay Z. If the question is, who has more experience negotiating baseball contracts, the answer is Boras. But saying that "Jay Z" is only a rapper is kind of absurd. http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/...rs-alive-today/ Not saying that he will beat Boras, but If I was given a choice, Id go with Jay. Jay can open doors that Boras cant. The reason is that Boras just doesnt have cache with anyone. Its not like all of these companies he drafts endorsement deals for have any love for him, they have no loyalty to him and no incentive to give him anything besides for the players he represents. Jay on the other hand is the talent that the companies have been paying for. They like him, they want him to represent their brands. Its kind of hilarious actually. You dont think Jay Z has a stable of lawyers who draft contracts? Thats all Boras is. And even funnier, no one mentioned the Master P/Ricky Williams disaster.

If their website doesnt have a clause that all sales arent final until shipped, they need a better attorney.

Should have been sooner, but it is what it is.

Baseball effectively ended for me when I went to tennis try outs instead of baseball freshman year of HS. I could have maybe made the B team (there were over 100 kids who tried out at that school), where as with tennis I immediately started as #1 doubles on JV. I played summer baseball for a few years in HS which was fun but by that time all of the good players were on HS teams so it was just for enjoyment. Where I lived had a lot of little league dads, but thankfully I only had 1 as a coach. The worst one used to hate me because I would steal his signs and then yell what they were going to do. He had this stupid color system and he would yell the signs. It took me about 5 seconds to figure out the indicator and sign pattern. I was okay, never the best. I was probably a plus defender and on the bases, but had almost no power. I was never really bullied and I actually did not do much bullying to my own team. Im really into the team concept and very loyal. So once you had the same uniform as me, I would kill for you. Its also probably because I always got my fair share of opportunities so I never really had anything to b**** about. I guess one time I did quit during a game because the catcher didnt throw a guy out on a pitch out. But then the coach talked me down and I proceeded to pretend I was Nomo for the rest of the game with a completely different motion than what I normally used. I also one time got hit in the head with a weighted donught that was thrown over a 15-20 foot fence. I just put ice in a bag and played the rest of the game. My tennis career ended senior year after 3 years of altercations with the coach. My junior year he probably cost my school state because he had some one far weaker playing doubles than me at regionals/sectionals, and our team hilariously didnt qualify even though our singles went 1 and 2. Our 1 actually won state that year and went undefeated. Senior year I didnt even make the team due to politics. The coach then told me that it was to send me a message and that I was actually on the team. At that point I stopped going to HS all together so I couldnt even play because all of my classes were incomplete. That was just an odd time. I was in all AP classes so I just stopped going to HS and took the AP tests. Im not sure why they let me get away with it. I always theorized that it was because I had good test scores and they wanted my AP tests to count for their school. (edit) I forget the most hilarious part. This year the coach I used to fight with called me for legal advice on a deal that he is doing. For whatever reason he did not recognize me. I never told him about our past. But every time he would call I would laugh to myself and think that this was the guy who wouldnt listen to me and thought he knew so much.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 04:41 PM) I would hope so. Not exactly interested in Ndamukong landing on top of Jay having given his body zero time to rest a torn groin. That's just begging for a setback. I agree completely. Soft tissue injuries are tricky and with McCown being serviceable you might as well play it safe.

Wisconsin has been after Matthews hard, but they have not had a good track record with Chicago recruits.