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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) Cutler played the first quarter and a half vs WAS then got hurt. McCown played the second half where the Bears kept playing catch up. Cutler's stats @ Detroit where McCown hasn't played this year. Cutler played a whole game hurt (shouldn't have played IMO), then McCown plays one drive where the Lions are in prevent. Great comparison, those are all identical situations. What about the Vikings? Cutler and McCown have only played 3 similar opponents. In each of those games McCown out performed Cutler. These are the stats. You tell me why Cutler didnt do as good against the Vikings. McCown had a rating of 114, Cutler 97.7. I guess its because the game was outside and McCown was inside? How many excuses do you want to make for a $15mil per year player?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:03 PM) Two games Cutler left because of injuries? One of which he was clearly injured the entire time? Yeah, that's a pretty horrible comparison. Yep McCown played better against the Vikings. And if we're going to keep talking about his (half) season numbers, we need to keep in mind that he's been putting them up against garbage defenses. Look you are a Cutler apologist, I get it. Cutler wasnt injured to start the Redskins game, he just sucked. He wasnt injured against the Vikings, McCown just had better stats. We get that youre argument is "Im hoping Jay Cutler can be better", I just see no reason to put "hope" into the equation. I come from a world where you "hope for the best, prepare for the worst". And the worst is that Jay Cutler is a mediocre/average Qb that isnt very good at pre-snap reads/audibles and is not a good fit for Trestman's system. If that is true, you dont spend $15mil per year on him. McCown is irrelevant, he just exposed the myth of Cutler. But hey, Im fine with hoping. I hope that Cutler turns int a HOF QB and wins 7 Super Bowls. We can all sleep easy now.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:00 PM) That's not the argument because that's not how football/economics works e.g. you might have to pay twice as much to get 10% better production. And thats silly if you can use that money to fix other positions. If the Bears had no other holes and had money to burn, sure spend it on Cutler, all things being equal (money) he probably is the safer bet. But if you are living in a world where you have fixed income, you cant always spend your money on luxuries.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:59 AM) Pretty sure he was comparing Cassel and McCown there. No he implied that letting Cutler walk would be the equivalent of picking Cassel over Brady. Which is absurd as the year before Brady put up 117 rating over a full season.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:55 AM) I haven't seen any of the McCown boosters address the cupcake defense thing yet. You mean the stats I showed against the Redskins and Lions? or what about Vikings: Cutler 27 38 292 71.1 7.68 34 3 2 59.4 97.7 McCown 23 36 355 63.9 9.86 80 2 0 66.5 114.9 The only games where Cutler and McCown had similar opponents and McCown did astronomically better? Not sure what else I can point out. Unless its the Vikings/Redkins/Lions all jobbed to McCown to trick us.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:51 AM) McCown has never had a season with a QB rating over 74.9 So great point. And im saying to pay McCown $2-3mil. Remember, this isnt about McCown. This is about why cutler isnt worth $15mil per season. And so far no one wants to address that. They just want to make asinine comparisons to Tom Brady (117 qb rating).

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:44 AM) Remember when NE let Brady go after Cassel had that good season and proved it was really just the system and the QB didn't matter? Are you seriously comparing Brady to Cutler? Here was Brady's stats TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT 2007 NE 16 398 578 68.9 4,806 8.32 50 69 8 4 87.1 117.2 Here were Cassels the next years: 2008 16 327 516 63.4 3,693 7.16 21 76 11 5 61.7 89.4 Notice that Cassel is more Cutler and Tom Brady is more Tom Brady. So yah if you think Cutler is a HOF Qb and as good as Brady, give him $15mil. I dont think Cutler is that good, not even close.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) Most Bears fans have a deep, subconscious desire to want a mediocre QB and to always, always root for the backup. It's all they know from decades of suffering. Not true at all. I just dont think Cutler is a great fit for this system. If the Bears had Drew Brees we wouldnt be having this discussion. Jay Cutler has never had a season with a QB rating over 90. You guys are just hyping him beyond belief because of his "big arm". And prior to this year his best statistical season came in 2007. Right now Cutler is ranked 12th for QB rating. To me that is exceedingly mediocre when 5 Qbs have ratings over 106. That is right 5 Qbs have +20 rating better than Cutler and thats not counting Foles or McCown. Sam Bradford has a better rating than Cutler. Everyone always made excuses for Cutler, now those are excuses are gone. Who are you crapping?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) Based on Jay having the first few games and McCown coming in against mostly cupcakes? No thanks, I dont buy it. I think its funny that we finally have a system for our franchise level QB and now people are clamoring for the backup. who by all accounts was out of football a year ago. What about based on the game where they played the same opponent with the same team? Redskins: J. McCown 14/20 204 10.2 1 0 1-7 94.6 119.6 J. Cutler 3/8 28 3.5 0 1 1-6 0.1 8.3 Detroit: Game 1 J. Cutler 27/47 317 6.7 2 3 3-31 36.6 65.6 Game 2 J. Cutler 21/40 250 6.3 1 1 1-9 47.2 69.8 J. McCown 6/9 62 6.9 1 0 1-3 93.3 123.4 But you are right, lets give Cutler a blank check, because what if he is good. What I find funny is that people are making excuses for a guy who is going to want $100mil + at age 31 with stats that are worse than a journeyman. And you guys are just lining up to pay him.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) Statistically speaking its almost guaranteed he returns to the mean. This is a guy that was so bad at QB that detroit made him a WR. I think our offensive staff and our weapons have made him flourish, but its a MUCH safer bet to think Cutler will be more consistently good with a higher ceiling. It doesnt matter what other teams do. People are wrong and sometimes systems matter. The second McCown came in weeks ago, you could see that there was a different vibe with the Bears offense. It was crisper, plays were being called smoother and audibles were much better. Did you know that McCowns worst rating 90.7 is better than Cutlers worst rating 65.6 And McCowns best rating 141.9 is better than Cutlers best rating 128.1 McCown has had a rating above 100 in 5 games. Cutler has had a rating above 100 in 2 games. So maybe Cutler will be better, maybe McCown will be bad. But the stats right now seem to suggest that McCown is better, and unless Jay wants a salary comparable to McCown im not sure how you take a $10mil+ risk. (Edit) I also like how people keep acting like journeyman is a bad thing. Where I come from desire matters, sometimes the person with the most god given talent doesnt win or finish first, not because they didnt have the talent, but because someone else had more desire, more will to win.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:08 AM) Do you think Josh McCown is a 100+QB rating type of guy or is he the 77 he's shown in his career? QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) And I think Cutler is a 100+ QB rating guy with Trestman and this line. Honestly I think that under Trestman McCown and Cutler likely put up similar Qb ratings. I cant fathom any scenario where Cutler puts up 2x better stats than McCown, which is what would be necessary to justify a salary 5x greater than McCowns.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) What about this offense looks average? I've never seen a Bears offense look as good as it has during the "McCown era" starts Because Trestman has more confidence in McCown to call plays and run the offense. Its pretty clear that Cutler is on a tighter leash, which is kind of ironic as hes the "starter". But in a Trestman style system, sometimes brains beat brawn. Also important to note that several times McCown has been compared to Gannon, who is generally considered one of Trestman's successes. Gannon was 37 when he won the MVP.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) How much better could Cutler play? And is that upgrade more important than upgrading the defense? NAME ATT COMPPCT YDS AVG YDS/G LONG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDSL RATE QB A 265 167 63.0 1908 7.2 228.5 58 13 4.9 8 3.0 11 80 88.4 QB B 220 147 66.8 1809 8.2 253.1 80 13 5.9 1 0.5 11 37 109.8 Its not always about being the tallest, fastest with the best arm. Sometimes brains matter, and like I said weeks ago, I think that the Bears best move is to put more money towards defense, because it makes no economical sense to pay $15mil plus for a QB if you can get similar production at 50% of the cost.

Hes a freak, its just insane.

Draw is better there because the clock runs, its little things like that which hopefully Trestman gets better at.

Jeffery is just ridiculous.

And I assume the amount of people who want to give Cutler 15mil+ next year is getting smaller and smaller.

You have to throw to marshall after that for the td.

Marshall made a great block.

They just need more talent on defense who can win individual battles. The offense is loaded at skill position.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 08:01 PM) How is anyone out there in short sleeves Best drugs money can legally buy? And wow that was easy.

Sometimes its better to say nothing.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 02:52 PM) Case + screen guard. Always screen guard. Yep same.

UVA always plays Wisconsin tough so it should be a good one.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 05:22 PM) A dramatic rise in the value of the Chinese currency relative to the U.S. dollar, which suddenly completely destroys China's export market and their industrial base, wrecking their economy and rapidly causing their government to fall. China holds less than 10% of the U.S. debt. They hold 1/2 as much as the Social Security accounts do. They do so in order to keep the value of their currency from rising, which effectively is a huge jobs program for them. It's not to gain political influence here; in fact the U.S. would really like them to stop doing this. If they were to sell them all simultaneously yes it would create something of a crisis, but not because they were selling US treasuries, because they'd be trying to sell so much - same thing as if, I dunno, 50% of the shares of publicly owned companies in the world were put up for sale simultaneously within a millisecond, the market wouldn't have the resources to adapt to it and that would cause a short crisis. Not lending more money is different than selling securities. Its the difference between buying more Nike stock and selling Nike stock. If no one is buying Nike stock, Nike cant raise new capital, which means.... It has nothing to do with whether I sell my existing Nike stock, it has everything to do about whether I will pump more future money into the company. Not to mention, this really isnt the point at all. The question was, which country can scare the US. China has the size, it has the natural resources and it has the wealth. Some of these answers come off as "Rome never has to fear anyone", well even Rome fell.