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You get sporting new? Because in one issue that said he was the third best reliever in all of baseball behind mota and farnsworth of all people. In another issue the numbers they predicted for him were 79 innings, 12 saves, 6 blown saves, 2.27 era, 1.18 whip, and 90 strikeouts on the season. What they said about him is this. With a fastball in the mid 90's and pinpoint location, Marte has emerged as one o fthe top relievers in baseball. He saved double-digit games for the second consecutive season and limited opponents to a .185 average. Bottom line. A top set-up option, and he will get a shot at closing.

Believe it or not i would take a bad marte season every year. Because for the most part lefty relievers get rocked. But i really think he will have a sub 3 era next year. His main problem was control issues this year. Another thing that is starting to concern me is that in the past three years his K/9 numbers have declined. But they are still excellent at 8.37

They need to make this park huge. I know i would mind if the sox hit 700 doubles a year if it mean winning games.

I know you did not ask me, but find 10-15 lefty relief pitchers who did better than him this year. Won't be too easy. Also find 10 lefties reilief pitchers you can have faith in year in year out.

Actually i wouldn't say they were no bodies. They all had era's under 4.00 in their careers. I believe wayne edwards was suppose to be a big up and coming lefty but got injured after his third year in the league.

I sure wish we had a bunch of no bodies that put numbers up like that.

May i ask why?

I believe false alarm and and farm team answered it.

I take no offense to anything you said at all. It is just my opinion that if not this year nexy year we do need to get rid of crede. If he is still not producing any better than he is now. I also firmly believe that if koskie was on the sox he would produce 5 times better than crede does now. I agree with everyone of whitesox61382 posts about koskie verse crede. Thanx for the advice yasny i will try but like you said when you are 16,17,18 you feel like you know everything when that is no the case at all. It is not even that i try to persuade people i just try to get my point across right or wrong. Once more thanx for the advice yasny.

I guess i can agree with that, but i think we all need to realize he will not become a superstar. We just need to give up on super star expectations i feel.

Koskie was playing injured for a while and was also on the dl for while. While koskie's obp is .39 better than crede's this year in his career verse crede's the difference is .69 point. Which is alot, even though koskie's offensive production may not be much better he generally gives his team alot more oppurtunies to score a run than crede does. You wouldn't call last years performance a disappointment? He hit .261 with 19 home runs and only a .308 obp. 3rd base is suppose to be a power position and the amount of homeruns he is hitting is not exactly what you would like from your typical third baseman. Even though koskie is not really big homerun hitter he sure knows how to get on base.

Why not look at obp? It is easily one of the most important offensive stats. Randa's numbers are so low because of the fact the royal's offense was bases around their minor leaguers this year. I am not really a fan of picking randa but he would be much better in the sox lineup than crede is. As you can tell by reading this thread i really want koskie.

While crede was good in the minors he was nothing really special. Both of his mvp year he puts up good numbers but nothing that showed me he would be the next stud. You honestly think randa is worse than cruddy?

100 times would be great but he strikes out at about the same pace as russel branyan. Which is not so great.

There were several times this year that relief pitchers came in a threw 88 as their hardest. In those at-bats there may have been 1 breaking ball and the rest 88 mile fastballs. If you do not believe me ask others because i remember in the game threads people were pissed and could not believe that he was striking out on such slow fastballs. I may be cracking up but i am 99.7% sure of it. I agree his approach needs alot of help but i don't know if that is possible since i have heard he is to the point he is uncoachable.

Ask anyone that knows alot about many different players and they will tell you cruddy is in the top ten of slow swingers. If they trade crede and he goes onto a good career well then he would have proved me wrong but don't think i will ever be pissed off if he went on to have a good career. It happens all the time to alot of different teams and they move on. Uribe is more of a free swinger type hitter. That does not have a clue of what the strike zone is. That is why he hardly walks. Crede like i said very slow swing, do you know how many times he has struck out on 88 mile fastballs. That is unacceptable imo. While koskie k's alot he has a good enough eye to walk on average of 77 times per year.

Never said i expect him to be a lead-off hitter but a respectable obp would be nice.

If we traded him for muich needed bullpen help you don't think that that improves us? Especially if we got koskie or even randa who are upgrades over crede.

Same thing when it comes to total chances, if koskie would have played an additional 27 games that would be very close to each other in that category. I am not a fan of players with sub .300 obp that has one of the slowest swings in baseball. Maybe i should start though.

His numbers in the minors show me that he would be a medicore player in the majors and that is what he is.

Ya i honestly don't think they will win that many either all that i know is they will have a better winning percentage than 25% and the bears will be awfully lucky to win four games this year.

Just because cruddy is younger and cheaper than randa it doesn't mean he is the better ball player than randa. Not at all.

Crede played 27 more games and only had 32 more assists. They would have been right around the same if koskie would have played an additional 27 games.

He averages 22 homeruns a year which is sollid but he also average a .256 average and .304 obp. :puke By the start of next year he will be 27 and most players prime is 28-32. His 2003 year sucked. Not to easy to fix one of the slowest swings in baseball, alog with borchard. I would still be talking about how bad he is offesnsively if he hit .20 higher this year because his obp would still only be .324. Randa and koskie are over 30. So what. Now a days players are conditioned so much better than ever before. Neither on of them should decline any if at all for 2-3 years.