Marty34

including this game the Sox have been outscored 102-76 in 19.5 home games.

Anyone got a quick run differential for Sox at home?

QUOTE (SI1020 @ May 22, 2012 -> 05:43 PM) When he is replaced it will probably be by a boring, banal, cookie cutter type cliche spouting automaton so popular on the sports networks. I think when the time comes they will think outside the box and go with a personality. Can't go from Harry to Hawk to dull FOX guy. Might be someone who's not an announcer.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 21, 2012 -> 11:19 AM) I seriously doubt that he was suspended I thought he got some time off last year for saying something overly negative about the Cubs?

Hollandsworth was replaced by Dave Otto on the postgame Sunday. Suspended perhaps? I hope it's the result of Chairman Reinsdorf making a call after seeing Hollandsworth ridiculous rant about Peavy on Chicago Tribune Live Friday. He needs to stay out of White Sox business.

QUOTE (BFirebird @ May 20, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) I was curious at why they did. It didn't seem offline. Plus they were down by 4 at the time. Bad decision by LaHair.

They're going to have to clean up in the 33 games left against the Twins and Royals, 24-9.

Concrete fell on somebody in the lower deck during that flyover. Sacrificed in the name of NATO.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 19, 2012 -> 07:11 PM) If it hasn't been mentioned yet, Thom Brennaman is just the worst. Absolutely. Can't understand how he keeps getting national work.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 19, 2012 -> 07:02 PM) Even Viciedo's, lol? I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong on Viciedo.

I hope every home run the Sox hit at Wrigley lands in that damn basket. Dissappointed with A.J.'s

outstanding!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 19, 2012 -> 06:48 PM) I haven't been watching the gun on every batter but the first 2 pitches to Baker were 92 mph fastballs before he grounded out on the Change. 6 outs in a row, nothing hit remotely hard. those were his 2 best pitches in a while. Hopefully it's a start.

Where'd Danks velocity go? I'm as close to certain as I can be that he isn't hurt. He can't throw a 90 mph fastball for a strike.

Had Dempster on the ropes, built up the pitch count, good start.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 19, 2012 -> 04:21 PM) Yes. They have no problem with the star taking one in the face, but have a problem with a pitch that didn't hit anyone. Bizarre. I know it sounds crazy, but Smarj did throw at Heyward and one way he can still hit guys but get away with the "it was an accident" is to throw an 85 MPH "split" and say it got away from him. He throws it harder than some guys throw their fastballs, When was the last time anyone has seen a MLB pitcher throw a splitter that the catcher caught eye high to the hitter? And this one just happened to be at the eye of the hitter. And this is a pitcher that has been pretty locked in all season. I was shocked to see how the media handled this. Konerko gets hit in the face after he homer's off the guy and the media would have you believe you're crazy if you think that's intentional. Your point on the location of the split is spot on. I've often thought that Chicago has some of the dumbest baseball media members and this is another example.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 19, 2012 -> 04:14 PM) Yep, if Humber wanted to hit him, he could have. Ventura handled that situation perfectly. He knows if Humber hit the pitcher in the next inning after Konerko got hit, he could have gotten tossed. Agreed, it was the absolute appropriate response by Ventura. A "defcon 2" message sent if you will ("defcon 1" would have been behind him head high.)

QUOTE (fathom @ May 19, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) I still can't believe that Kaplan and Hollandsworth were so pissed off on CTL about the Humber throwing a pitch behind LaHair. You hit the unquestioned leader of the team in the face with a pitch in the AB after he homered....I don't care if it's a 15 mph pitch thrown by Gary Sinise, you have to stick up for your captain there. Konerko's injury is a lot more serious than a bruise on the back, etc. This is so true. It's borderline insane how many members of the Chicago sports media have said Smarja's pitch wasn't intentional. Were they watching the same game? Anyway, it was funny to read LaHair being upset about the pitch behind him. Stuff like you should never throw at somebody's head. (the pitch was at his back, btw) Really?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 19, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) You should despise Cespedes. He was a big signing by a GM who can't build a team who can succeed unless he's handed a great pitching staff. It sounds like you don't like the move. I don't care one way or the other about the A's.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 19, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) The A's have 1 postseason appearance in the past 8 seasons. What is your point?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 19, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) Prediction, two weeks from now, it will be back to "Molina sucks! KW must go!" because criticizing Viciedo will 1) get boring, and 2) what's the point whether he's more like Beltre, Vladdy, Carlos Lee, Bobby Bonilla, Juan Uribe, Magglio Ordonez, Rey Ordonez...he's young and under our control, and relatively cheaply, through 2018, all the prime years for a young hitter will be encompassed. Whereas the A's are spending over 4X as much for a player in Cespedes that will be gone to another team for even more money in 4 years when he's at the very top of his game and has figured out how to adjust to MLB pitching, theoretically. At least we set up our contract with Viciedo in a manner in which if he performs as expected, we don't lose him right at the most critical juncture for the rebuilding effort. The A's would not have gotten Cespedes without offering him that deal. If he's any good, he's likely to be gone in a couple years used as a chip in the A's building process as they get their stadium situation sorted out.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 19, 2012 -> 01:09 PM) This is true and I'll go ahead and make the counterargument for Marty -- Chicago is an immense market and the White Sox do spend like they are in such a market. Our expectations should be significantly higher than average for achievement. Now...we have a World Series title. That's a big one. We also are a team that no longer spends time in last place. While some people don't distinguish between last and second, there's a difference. Contending is better for crowds and obviously it is easier (at least in the short term) to turn a second place team into a first place team -- these teams are a big signing/trade/fluke away from 95 wins. I will say that the past 6 years with just 1 playoff appearance is not enough. That 6 year stretch is not acceptable (though 2006 was a squad that makes the playoff under the current format/most years 90 wins gets you in anyway). I distinguished in this thread between moves that basically have no chance of working out and moves that should work out, but don't. I feel that the latter have cost us by far the most -- see last season. That does not necessarily get you job security. The end of last season was a time when KW was very vulnerable and had he been fired, as a fan of both the Sox and KW I would not have been angry. I do believe that KW is a GM capable of putting together a consistent winner. He's done 1 thing in particular that not many GMs can say they did, and he did it with a middling payroll when he did it. He's also done a good job of keeping the Sox out of the cellar, but that is a minimum requirement. The fact is that JR chose KW to bring things back for the White Sox. We deconstructed last year's team as much as we could (given contractual constraints and a desire not to trade assets just for the sake of trading them like Gavin Floyd). We are now trying to do something that I believe a large market team should be able to do...rebuild without having a completely pathetic onfield product. This is a team with a reasonable chance to make the playoffs despite having a significantly lower payroll than the year before and no outside acquisitions...again, this is something large market teams should do while rebuilding. By the end of the season we should either be in the playoffs or have gained value in young players due to non-contention. cliffs: -KW didn't do a terrible job, but the team didn't win -this makes you vulnerable to lose your job -JR chose to keep KW to move forward -bad teams change management in the middle of rebuilds (see Oakland Raiders coaching) -this season has the makings of a successful start to a rebuild in the Chicago market I think this is a fair assessment. The big problem facing the Sox is 6 years/1 playoff appearance and this team hasn't bottomed out yet. They could go another 3-4 years before there next appearance and that would be a disaster. If they can make the playoffs this year and shore up the season ticket base some in the process it would give Williams more time and resources to do a "soft landing" type of rebuild.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 19, 2012 -> 11:51 AM) We get it, his name has "dick" in it. I'm glad you got it!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 19, 2012 -> 09:02 AM) Yes. Now tell me why you get to draw the arbitrary dividing line right after it and say that nothing beforehand counts. 6 years isn't long enough? I mean, you want him to go through a rebuilding AFTER these 6 years, saying give him 2-3 years, we could be up to 9-1o years with 1 post-season win. That's just not going to cut it for a large market team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 19, 2012 -> 08:58 AM) 2 postseason appearances and 12 postseason wins in 7 seasons. That World Series was great, wasn't it.