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QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) You're such a fanboy. Kasich also dropped out so Fox had to cancel it. Not much of a debate to have Ted Cruz, or anyone else, up there by himself. Blame cnn for burying that. http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/media/dona...-fox/index.html

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) I'd say that the closest you've come to addressing his racial demogogeury was to hand-wave away the KKK/David Duke stuff. I don't recall you really commenting on his birtherism, Mexicans=racists/criminals, deport all illegals, ban all Muslims, retweet black crime "statistics" from literal neo-nazis, pigs-blood-bullets, immigrants-as-dangerous-snakes-parable etc. If trade protectionism and getting money out of politics are your primary concerns, why do you gravitate towards Trump instead of Sanders? Sanders also strongly opposes the TPP, and his SC nominees are much more likely to overturn CU than Trump's would be. I showed the video of his literally disavowing of Duke but I guess that's handwaving away. I found it ridiculous he had to do it every interview. It's gotcha political discussion at its absolute worst. A grand wizard just supported Hillary too but I'm sure she won't be asked about that. And she shouldnt. Stop wasting your breath on these people. This is the reason these discussions go literally nowhere. You're not convincing me and I'm not convincing you here, clearly. I commented on his birtherism the last page back and it really goes hand and hand with everything. You're being played by even giving it attention. I've addressed this Sanders stuff too already like a lot. We're going in circles on everything. I like him. He'd be my second choice. He just has had 0 chance of getting elected and getting threatened by his supporters was a big turnoff for me, but I don't really hold it against him. What I do hold against him was his response to the aftermath of Friday.

Fox cancels next debate after Trump drops. Has them by the balls I guess.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) You want to address any of the shortcomings in your understanding of trumps positions or why you are choosing to ignore the racial demagoguery that's central to his campaign? I understand his positions just fine. Sorry it's hard to reply 10 to 1 on here at work. On the racial side, I've addressed it 1000 times before including conversations with you. I don't think think there's much left to say.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) Over half of his supporters havent finished college and make less than 50k per year. He may have "other supporters" but thats his majority like it or not. So his base is in line with people who voted in 2012? I imagine that's everyone's base because that's the American voting base. 53% of voters didn't graduate college. 41% in 2012 made less than 50k which is actually more than the Newsweek poll I read, which had 33% of Trump voters making less than 50k. Most of these national polls right now are pretty ridiculously inaccurate and outdated though so I won't even use that. I'd look at state by state exit polling if you want to try and tell a story here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) That is a slight of hand to completely discract from your first statement. His supporters are by the highest numbers holding terrible opinions that would literally push this country back 150 years. THAT is why he gets the reputation, and the fact that he is pandering to that lowest common denominator. You can redirect the focus to whatever talking point you like, but the facts are the facts. You literally highlited me talking about the polls. I posted the polls.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) Your very first line is going in the wrong direction. While it isn't "ALL", the Trump camp has attracted BY FAR the largest numbers of these types of supporters. In a study of exit polls they found, -A third supported banning gays and lesbians from entering the country. -a third of Trump’s backers believe that Japanese internment during World War II was a good idea. -When asked voters if they thought whites were a superior race, only 69 percent disagreed. -70% wish the Confederate battle flag were still flying on their statehouse grounds -38 percent of them wish the South had won the Civil War -Nearly 20 percent of Trump’s voters disagreed with Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation -Voters were asked if they favored temporarily barring Muslims who are not citizens from entering the United States, something Mr. Trump advocates, and 74 percent said they did. He won 41 percent of that group. These numbers BLOW AWAY anyone else in the races. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/m...-share&_r=1 You're using exit polling from one state that happened a month ago. Let's throw in the actual demographics to actually address what I said. Trump does great with the "uneducated". He does well with everyone else as well though, He won with college graduates in Illinois, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Massachusetts, Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, and Vermont. He's won with post graduates in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Massachusetts(if were playing this game, that's the smartest people in the smartest state in the country), Mississippi, New Hampshire, Nevada, and Tennessee. Exit polling isn't available everywhere, but where it is he's winning. He's winning across every demographic pretty much everywhere, which is why the attempts to stereotype his supporters as one thing come off as hilariously bitter.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) It all makes sense! Actually B>W, do you mind explaining your Trump support? I'm legitimately curious. You've said you're happy he's bringing down the GOP establishment. OK. But there's gotta be something else there, no? I've seen you posting here for over a decade, I know you're a smart guy. And I can understand why Jim Bob in backwater Florida is all over Trump. But it's his intelligent supporters, the ones who can actually think for themselves, that I just don't understand. Sure. I'll start with the false narrative that Trumps supporters are all redneck white trash, or whatever idea is being pushed around here. The polls show differently (hes won across all demos), so I think people just get confused on how vocal his supporters are. One of Trumps slogans mentions the silent majority supporting him. Theres Probably something to that. I can think of at least 2 other prominent Soxtalk members who I'm 95% sure support Trump but won't say it. Easy to see why. So far I've been referred to at least indirectly as "retarded", "white trash" "racist" "uneducated" "coward" etc and thats just in the last few pages alone. I don't blame them for not wanting to be on the receiving end of that. I feel I've been a good sport about it, as I cant help but laugh it off. You know how you could laugh at people who said Obama was the anti-christ and would bring us 500 years of darkness? Now it's the same from the otherside. First Trump was Hitler, then he was the KKK, then Mussollini. Just last night CNN compared him to Fidel Castro. Anyways, onto why I support him. I read The Art of the Deal way back when. Terrific, terrific book. It's funny, his whole campaign strategy is laid out in there. You'd think his opponents and detractors would simply give it a read and maybe, just maybe they can take him down. It gives great insight to who he is as a person. Reading a book is hardly the reason I support him now. Just the opposite actually for a time (particularly in 2012). I saw him as a showman who'd do anything to grab his own headlines to the detriment of the party. Now he still is that, but I've learned to appreciate it since the people whose political careers he is ruining are not good people and certainly don't have our best interests in mind. Trump really came onto the scene for me politically about 2 years ago when he came out and exposed TPP for what it was: a trade deal negotiated in secrecy that benefits absolutely no one in the US other than the top line of big businesses while doing nothing but hurting the American workforce. It sort of exposed to me the idea that America has basically become a corporate oligarchy. The politicians in charge do not care about who they are meant the serve. Instead, they're all basically puppets, with every word out of their mouths carefully manufactured by whatever money is funding them. From TPP to Obamacare, nothing is getting passed unless the powers at be basically write it themselves. So shouldn't I find it ridiculous that the solution to this problem is to elect a man worth 6 billion dollars? Of course I do. But that's where we are right now. Better him than someone who is taking millions each from Comcast, Google, Soros, Koch Bros Goldman Sachs, CBS, etc. Having self interest is better than corporate interest. There are reasons every billionaire big-wig, including his past friends, and media source hate the man more than anything. They fear that, finally, a man they can't control is about to take over. I truly believe the single most important issue of our time is the amount of money in politics and Trump can be the first step towards solving that. I'm sure you'll say, well he can't do it alone, one election wont change anything, and that's very true. It is why it's very important he destroys the Republican party en route to the White House. He's doing a great job of it already. I'm also tired of the neocon foreign policy that has dominated Washington for 16+ years now and has caused more problems than solutions. Under Clinton, I'd imagine that would continue. People like to talk about what the president can and can't do. You may hear "how much damage could Trump really do?" I of course don't think he will do much damage, but this is one area I believe he can change basically overnight. Most other things he wants to change will admittedly be tough. Few other smaller things: -Planned Parenthood: Not that my vote would ever take this into consideration, but my god, he has such a refreshing and shockingly simple "solution" to this controversy than whatever the hell other Republicans are trying to pull. -Calling for lower taxes on the middle and lower class while closing corporate loopholes. Cool with me. -Audit the fed: lol they'll never let him do this. -Basically supports a different version of Universal healthcare to replace Obamacare -Despite all the hilarious things he called Rosie O'Donnell, he has a lot better track record dealing with women's issues than anyone else on the Republican side. Theres more but this is too long anyways and you've probably quit reading by now.

I get 500 if Trump wins the nomination. That's back from last August.

Anyone have a link to district by district results in Illinois?

Hillary plagiarizing Bernie's speeches is just amazing. Have to imagine bernie fans are irate right now.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) Doesn't help him a lot. With Rubio out Kasich gets enough delegates to keep Trump from getting a majority. How does Kasich get any more delegates even? He had 60 coming into the night and that was with every state being proportional so far. Now almost every state is winner take all or winner take most. Im sure hell pick up a couple but nothing significant. Im talking microscopic amount. He has no money. You'd figure Pennsylvania would be his second best state, but he couldn't get the 2,000 signatures to get on the ballot there on time.

Loved Rubio trying to claim he's anti-estblishment to save his dead career. At least he finally sees the death of the Republican party coming.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) If young people aren't actually excited, they're probably just not voting. Correct.

Young people don't vote.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 03:36 PM) Maybe it's time to see if Davidson can take advantage of an opportunity? On the opening day roster? Please no.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 01:52 PM) Yep, I think he would be a good fit for this team and I would rather not have to give up any of our top 10 prospects I'd rather not either. But I'm not too convinced he'd cost one even if they send 3-4 million our way. He's been pretty bad these last two years. They should be thankful for us to pay him 9ish million to go away, while they allocate those savings internationally or something better used for a franchise in complete rebuild mode.

I'd love for Bruce to be here and reds to still pay for some of the contract.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 12:19 PM) Anonymous is now after Trump. http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/14/anonymo...n-donald-trump/ 4chan is the most pro Trump place in the world. But this anonymous group already hacked his cell phone and all they found was him being thanked by MSNBC for donating to a charity of theirs.

Wonder if Josh Donaldson clears waivers...

Q. Who will be moving up the rankings from the pre-season list to the mid-season list? A. Jason Coats. Probably a boring answer because he'll be 26 years old. But by mid-season I bet he's either in MLB or very close to being called up. Probably deserves to be better than 18 in our system. Q: Who is your favorite sleeper in the organization? A: I agree with the pick of Jhoandro Alfaro. System could use success at catcher, too.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/14/tr...alls-and-carso/ That mythical "ceiling" for trump just keeps getting higher and higher. Someone has to stop the absolute madman!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 15, 2016 -> 09:33 AM) By definition, that means he is not conservative. Yes. I would agree.

I agree. He's certainly more moderate than most on just about everything outside immigration ( I'd say your take on his gun control stance is outdated too). I don't find that to be a bad thing and I'm glad he's taking the gop down on it.

Yes. Just funny were talking to him like a person. He didn't think Trump was a conservative, which is probably correct. Shapiro has used that to attack Trump at every angle. Probably his most vocal critic, which is saying something. Glad he's gone, but I'm sure he'll find another platform.