valponick

I think his defensive ability is average. He usually gets really good reads/jumps on balls hit directly over his head. I think his weakness is in his lateral movement. He doesn't move well to to the gap or to the foul line. His arm is solid and fairly accurate but I don't recall him having many outfield assists.

QUOTE(SoxRock05 @ Aug 1, 2006 -> 06:29 AM) This thread will continue untill we re-gain first place. .......back 7 1/2..... Then this thread will continue until the day after opening day 2007.

I can understand where you are coming from. The most frustrating thing for me with the White Sox is that they have a "things will get better" attitude. They don't seem to want to make the necessary adjustments when need be, they believe that teams just go through these stretches and eventually they will come out of it. Last year it almost cost us the division and this year....well, we'll see how far that attitude gets this team.

There is no place for threads like this on this board.

I've got this saved to my PC in HD

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 04:26 PM) What'd ya name your first child? Dominic David

Let's win this one for valponick and I'll tell you why. My first child was born on Monday night (Garland won us that one), they haven't won since then. I came home from work on Thursday evening and felt some sharp pain in my belly, had to go to the ER and have an emergency appendectomy I have been sitting here in excruciating pain with 10 staples across my belly watching this team the past two days, they owe it to me. edit: OK maybe they don't owe me anything, I would just like a win to ease this pain a bit

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 01:54 AM) Just slumping bigtime. What can you say. There is a difference between slumping and not being able to execute fundamental baseball.

Horrible Jenks, just horrible.

Has him 1-2, walks him, SOLID.

HAHA. It's comical at this point.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 01:02 AM) Either way, it was a crucial performance by him tonight. Agreed, hopefully the offense can give him a chance to win...need to get this bunt down right here.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 23, 2006 -> 12:57 AM) ???? They had a runner on 2nd, not one on 1st. Runner wouldn't have gotten to 2nd if there is hustle on the play before.

Should have been a DP.

Disgusting by Juan.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 20, 2006 -> 09:01 PM) How the hell did this place even function pre-2005? This board was of better quality pre-championship that's for sure.

This series really just came down to Leyland>Guillen.

Our starting pitchers are mental midgets.

Disgusting.

Disgusting.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=52329 This is the thread you are talking about. It was basically proven that Vazquez had been just as good or even a bit better than Buehrle up to their respective last starts. Neither of them have been unlucky, just inefficient. Both have been downright bad (in terms of their abilities) this year.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:51 PM) I thought our pitching was not a problem. It's not, we have the best rotation in baseball!!!!

When is BP over at Yankee Stadium? I'm still waiting for the game to start.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 07:00 AM) I think you were looking at another year for WS and VORP: Win Shares 2006: Buehrle - 9 Vazquez - 7 VORP 2006: Buehrle - 19.8 Vazquez - 9.9 For looking at pitchers, I use my own number to come up with a comparison ((TB + HBP + BB) / IP). I think this is better than WHIP since it adds the extra base hits into the equation. I understand that it is still affected by fielding, but not as much as some of the other stats. WHIP doesn't show whether the hit was a single or a HR, this computation does. TBIP - 2006 Contreras 1.62 Buehrle 1.98 Vazquez 1.99 Garcia 2.22 Garland 2.27 Normally under 1.50 is Cy Young award caliber and somewhere around 2.00 is average, over 2.40 is bad. Yea, I took the numbers from the 2006 PECOTA forecast, oversight on my part. Thanks for posting what you did as it proves my point even further.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:23 AM) That's fine and dandy and all, but there's not a chance in hell you are going to convince me that Javier Vazquez has been better than Mark Buehrle this year. Mark Buehrle seems to be hated by statisticians because he has a mediocre-slightly above K/9, and he allows a ton of balls to be put into play. That is bad because it opens the door for inconsistency and streakiness, something often seen by Buehrle. However, when you have the best defense in the majors(arguably...I haven't had the time to look up who exactly does have the best defense in the league), pitching to contact is not the worst thing to do. In your theory, Buehrle putting a fastball on the outside corner to a pull hitter on a 2-2 count to try and get him to roll over the ball and hit it to the shortstop is a bad idea. Instead, you'd rather see him try and strike him out with perhaps a high fastball or a cutter on the hands. With Buehrle's mediocre stuff, the hitter has a hundredth of a second longer to recognize the pitch, and decide what he wants to do with it, be it watch it or swing at it. Either way, you're risking that he takes the pitch, and Buehrle has to come at him with a strike; that he misses his spot and it ends up in the gap or the stands; that he hits it and puts the ball into play, making an out; or that the hitter swings through it. If everything were neutral, and every team's defense was piss-poor, than I'd agree that FIP would be a good stat to use. As is, I'll stick to ERA and I'll let you stick to FIP. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I was just putting some numbers out there that can be better used to measure pitching performance than ERA.