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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:48 PM) You wanna tell us again how reliable that Detroit bullpen is? Seems like this was a throw-away game for Leyland, as he didn't use Benoit.

Remember when certain members of the media would say that "one person doesn't make that big of a difference in a lineup". Well, I went back and looked at the 31 games this season we've lost by one or two runs, and I calculated the stats for Rios and Dunn. Rios is 25 for 123 in those games (.204 bavg) with one HR and 4 RBI in those games Dunn is 12 for 94 in thos games (.128 bavg) with 3 HR and 8 RBI in those games You're looking at a team that is on par with the Tigers, if not at the head of the class, if those two could have given us a lot more production in close games.

At least Crow won't still be in the game...hopefully Holland and Soria close it out!!

Marte making his MLB debut here for Detroit.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 07:27 PM) Come on man, the Google isn't that hard to use. No, their bad contracts end after this year. They have good money tied up in their good players, but start off at $72 million this offseason, $81 if they pick up the option on Valverde. They did pare back a lot of salary last offseason, but not as much as they could have...they spent money to bring guys like Ordonez back. That's a great reference, easy to use...thanks

Question on the Tigers...do they have any bad contracts after this year? Aren't Ordonez and Inge gone after this year?

Tigers are amazing at coming back...Aaron Crow's ERA is around 2.5, but I swear he gets rocked whenever I watch him.

Would Hahn spurn the Sox offer and take Cubs job instead?

IIRC, Giants were close to trading Lincecum for Rios about 4 years ago

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 04:46 PM) For the record: Ozzie made a number of gutsy calls in the '05 postseason that other managers may not have made. Buehrle to close out game 3 at Houston Only reason he had to bring in Buehrle for game 3 was due to awful decision to bring in Hermanson in the 8th inning...but we won, so I don't really care to debate that right now.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 11:49 PM) wheres the peavy hate? what a prima donna He's just flat out awful...thankfully only one year left on his deal. He really needs to STFU about the relief outing.

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 11:11 PM) Tiggs don't have much starting pitching beside Verlander & Fister (I won't beside I am a gentleman). Tiggs don't have much relief pitching beside Valverde & AlAl (think that he is on DL). Don't give up on the Tiggs tanking it quite yet. lol! Still plenty of time. Benoit's been superb since the ASB.

Something the last week has made me realize is just how much I love the effort of Konerko, Lillibridge, De Aza, Buehrle, Sale and Santos this year. Even when some of them have struggled, they kept a great attitude.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) And yet you want a 3b upgrade? Absolutely, I think we'll have a little money to spend this offseason and almost every other position/starting rotation is locked up already.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 09:52 PM) I get tired of these posts where fans for some inexplicable reason don't want good players like Quentin on their team any more. How bout an outfield of Tank, DeAza and CQ next year. That would not be bad. I know Dayan is good but why do people always tire of guys on the current roster? It again is the backup quarterback syndrome. Rios is the dog that should go away; CQ should stay! Because certain people actually understand how payroll and contracts work?

Guys, the clean-up hitter position is just one spot in the order...it won't make or break the team.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) Donny Lucy was still on the bench. He's faster and more used to running. Seems like that is lower risk than losing a pitcher for the game. Flowers gets hurt, worst case, the Sox lose the DH in extras. I bet Stewart is faster, and we know that Ozzie never, ever likes to use his back-up catcher.

Stewart running for PK was the only logical move this entire game.

I still can't get over the fact that Lillibridge homered off of Nathan less than a month ago, and he was still removed. Nathan's gotten hit much harder by righties this year as well.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) Sad thing is, if it got that far, I wouldn't have been mad about Dunn PHing for Rios. Lillibridge has the shortest swing on our team right now. I wouldn't have even had Konerko hit for him in that situation.

Good luck recovering from this game Ozzie. BTW, righties hit Nathan better than lefties do, and Lillibridge homered off of Nathan a few weeks ago.

David Aardsma...David Aardsma...David Aardsma

It's more scary that it's the first time Ozzie Jr. has disagreed with his dad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 09:48 PM) They are pitching to him? Seriously? Old school approach of not putting tying run on base.

Wow do I hope Ozzie gets roasted for that move. Nothing like sitting our best power hitter for the last few weeks for the worst hitter in baseball history for a season.