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QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 03:42 AM) Sportsline, FOXsports say $10 million but roto has it at $9 million as well. Regardless, I can't think of too many teams offering a 20% cut to a bigger name player or even the last time the Sox went to arbitration with a player. Unless OC is the WS MVP, I cannot fathom how he'll be brought back.

QUOTE (sox1844 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 02:38 AM) I want to know why people think he's so pompous? Or that he doesn't want to play here? Because a winner like Joe Cowley said so? or by looking at Jermaine Dye blowing up on him about something stupid.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 02:38 AM) I can certainly see him winding up with the Dodgers. I'd be surprised honestly, as they seem to have their hearts set on Furcal.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 02:36 AM) I'll take this. The game is on here in Central Iowa. 2-0 Mariners on a Clement single Circle Me Bert sounds very deflated.

Who will be looking for shortstops this offseason? OC, in my mind, would be perfect in San Fran.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 03:34 AM) His listed 2008 salary is $10 million which means the Sox will have to offer at least $8 million. Screw the questionable metrics and draft picks (it's the Sox drafting, remember?) We gave up a consistent starting pitcher for this asshole. I'm more excited to see him leaving the Sox than Darin Erstad. That's saying ALOT. Honestly, at least Danks/Floyd have been outstanding this year, which makes you grateful we created room for them. It's too bad we couldn't have received Brandon Phillips for Garland.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:48 PM) JD Drew is going to the DL. Big blow to Sauxxxxxxx. They traded for Kotsay tonight.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 02:29 AM) Your own payroll resource has him at $9 million this year. I didn't think the team could offer him a lower salary than the one he had this year? I thought you have to offer 80 pct.

Since someone asked earlier, I think Ramirez is much better suited for 2nd base. He seems to have difficulty on grounders that stay low to the ground, and when he has to rush his throw, he struggles. Thanks Kalapse for the arbitration figures. That's not bad at all.

Kalapse.....how much would we have to offer him in arbitration?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 03:09 AM) I agree with absolutely everything you said, including that very last line. The only thing I'd add is that it seems like he doesn't even want to be on this team. As we talk about, he seems to have more fun talking with the opposition than his own teammates.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 03:08 AM) All your points make sense, but then that last line.... it just seems a little harsh to put him sub Erstad, no? Actually you're putting him sub-many guys who were way worse. I think when a guy carries himself like OC does, it makes people react a little harsher to whatever stats he does put up. Freaking BA gets on the recent All-time Favorite Sox list and yet puts up nowhere near the consistency OC does. Erstad busted his ass everytime he was on the field. I have no hate for Erstad as a person. It's not his fault that some members of the organization get a hard on for grinders.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 02:06 AM) Where did you see this? BTW- using the sortable schedules on twinsbaseball.com and whitesox.com, in that series in Minnesota, we'll be running Floyd, Danks, and Javy, and they'll be running Baker, Perkins, and Blackburn. An Illinois message board.

BTW, saw a rumor that Mariotti quit the Sun-Times. Maybe he's going to move to California now that you know what is legal (not talking about pot).

I've been saying it for a month now...Carlos Zambrano's shoulder is not healthy.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 01:44 AM) Ugh, I've been thoroughly unimpressed with Adam Russell during his time with the White Sox. His stuff is rather mediocre. It seems like lefties could reach at an insane level against him.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 01:07 AM) only a 6 page game thread? wow....no fathom? double wow Had a prior engagement. Got home in time to see the bottom of the 9th. Gavin seems to have pitched a great game, and OC was a catalyst.

I'll remember Sacramone also with her hair up (much better looking than when it's down).

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 05:17 AM) kalapse can't type, he's rubbing one out. Give him 30 seconds. Him too?

BELTRE!! Kalapse, go have fun.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 06:12 AM) What a tremendous bust this guy has been. Rafael Betancourt was supposed to be Jack Wilson during one of those Jack Wilson good years instead he's Cesar Izturis minus the glove. That's right even his once excellent defense has all but disappeared. What's wrong with this post?

Bettancourt is a terrible offensive player.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 05:05 AM) don't Though I did have a dream that I went to a Sox game with Barack Obama last night. Cool segment on E:60 tonight about Reggie Love, as he plays basketball with Obama. Love was a walk-on at Duke.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 05:57 AM) Man cards are to be turned in on your way out of this thread. I'll be honest, I watch it with the wife. It's also a great topic of conversation with the hot girls at work.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 04:56 AM) i don't know, but that 2004 season wasn't just a blip on the radar, it was a seismic event. how to explain it...? I don't know many other factors. Can we consult Esteban Loaiza?