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QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 02:59 AM) Wait, so you are saying: Ozzie yelled at Tracey, Tracey got sent down, Razor pitched Tracey in the minors and got him back on track, and that equals, Ozzie and Razor had tension between them? Not at all. Ozzie never wanted Tracey to see the majors again. Razor asked for Ozzie to reconsider (in a conversation that I have told a few people on here about), and the rest is history.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 02:57 AM) I agree. I watched every episode last season and was actually excited for this one. To me it seems like theyre too far all over the place and has strayed farther away from football than last season. Also that ending was a little extreme for a show that is supposed to be about high school football. Exactly my thoughts. Obviously they're trying to make it edgier to see if the ratings improve, but it got away from the fun of the show.

Contrary to what we've heard for a few years now, the Diamondbacks were willing to do the Vazquez trade for Anderson instead of Chris Young. Looks like KW made a very costly error in talent evaluation, especially with how quickly we then gave up on Anderson. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

QUOTE(iamshack @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 02:44 AM) I really think Kenny hopes Jerry will develop into what Juan Pierre has been and still is. I would hope any talks with Coletti would net us Jonathan Meloan and Chin Lung Hu for Jon Garland... Why would the Dodgers do that? They want to get rid of Furcal in order to get Hu into the lineup and free up some salary.

Friday Night Lights did everything in it's power to annoy me tonight.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 02:28 AM) If that were the case, and the reason he was not brought back, I have a difficult time believing he would have been brought up to the big club in the first place... I don't think it was the reason he wasn't brought back. I honestly don't care who coaches 3rd base, as long as they do a solid job.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 02:02 AM) What were those? I've been telling people about this story for over a year now, but Razor stuck his neck out for Tracey last year after the beanball incident. Like you mentioned, the young guys from the minor leagues love Razor. However, as we've seen, Ozzie's relationship with those guys hasn't always been picture perfect. Right there, you get a source of some tension that was building up last year. Hopefully, Razor got along good with all the coaches this year, but Steff doesn't seem to think so. I didn't hear of any particular issues with Razor this season. I hope Razor goes on to get another job, and continues to life the healthy lifestyle he did this year.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 02:06 AM) Yeah, but it's not something I'd put out of the realm of possibility. Nope, not at all. KW definitely wanted to acquire him last offseason. However, it really would be pointless, as we already have Pierre Jr. out there.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Oct 6, 2007 -> 12:43 AM) Speaking just for myself, I honestly wish you'd stop with the half speak and innuendo. If there are "things" you've heard about Shines and his relationships with members of the organization, speak up about it. When you post shadowy innuendo type stuff, it leads other people on this site to reach conclusions that aren't necessarily accurate. I don't know what the big secret is anyways. I'm going off of what Steff has said, as well as some differences of opinions that Razor had with Ozzie last season. I've been a huge supporter of Razor ever since the Sean Tracey incident, and it's too bad he's leaving the organization.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 09:41 PM) Lofton thinks he's like 25 again, Melk with the gun though. Not to sound like Hawk, but he has a video game-esque arm. The ball just gets to the infielder on a straight line.

With some of the things I've heard about Shines and his relationship with members of the organization, I wonder why they even promoted him this past offseason. And I don't think many of us really care that our 3rd base coach got let go. It's more that members of the coaching staff who have underachieved (players in the area they specialize) continue to get a free pass for some reason. There's honestly no reason Greg Walker still has a job.

Why does everyone want Furcal so much? Doesn't he only have one year left on his deal, and he's also a Boras client? We'd likely have to give up Garland to get him, and I'd rather get someone that can help out the organization a lot longer than one season (a season in which we're not likely to compete for the pennant).

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 10:48 PM) I honestly think you might kill yourself if the Cubs ever win it all. Nope, sorry. Livan Hernandez sucks, and with the wind blowing out tomorrow, the Cubs have to be heavily favored to win.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 09:43 PM) What about the Cubs gives you any idea they have a chance to make it to game four? They've played bad fundamental baseball, as well as their pen blowing rather large testicles. Livan Hernandez

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 07:21 PM) So f***ing stupid. But what else should I expect out of this organization lately. They've made nothing but retarded decisions since the Buehrle signing. It's really amazing, isn't it? It's going to be scary going on rotoworld every morning during the offseason looking at the possible deals were involved with. I can already picture it now: Garland and DLS for Tejada.

I just heard that the wind's going to be blowing out to left field tomorrow. I really hope Arizona doesn't pitch Webb in game 4. Save him for game 5, because if you lose tomorrow and lose that game with him on the mound, you give the Cubs all the momentum in the world for game 5.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 07:16 PM) Stick Cora back at third and hire a competent bench coach. Hell no....Cora was pathetic as the 3rd base coach. I thought Shines did a competent job, which of course means he has to go.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 07:04 PM) Don't post in this thread. I guarantee it will be my only hocket post of the year. I was listening to the update on the Score, and since I didn't seen anyone post the news yet, I figured I'd keep you updated. Hopefully Havlat is fine....and enjoy the thread.

According to the Score, Shines will not be back.

Havlat's going to be out for the year likely, according to the Score.

BTW, I think it's been cool how ESPNews hired Mike Bacsik, the pitcher who gave up Bonds record breaking homer, to be an analyst during the postseason.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ Oct 5, 2007 -> 06:07 AM) No surprise tonight. The Cubs just aren't that good. They were the tallest midget in a horrific division. Everybody knew (except fathom) that they would be exposed. And are the D-backs fun to watch or what? Their farm system has come through quite well for them the last few years. It still would surprise me if this series doesn't get to game 5. Supposedly Santo was saying again last night that he wants to beat up Valverde for his show-off antics on the mound. I hate that legless f***er so much.

Yes! Impressive fastballs by Valverde.

You've got to be freaking kidding me. Why in the world didn't Drew take that himself?

Fathom's man crush on Brandon Lyon continues to grow.