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Well, I just hope Dye doesn't end up with the Cubs in the next hour.

Were people seriously expecting us to get a good prospect for Mackowiak?

It's obvious....for the guys they have no intention of bringing back next year, they're just getting their salaries off the books for the rest of the season.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:43 PM) Jon Link is his name. 23 year old A ball reliever.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) If it's another "project" single A pitcher, then screw you, KW. Of course it will be....I can't believe the faith people have put in KW to actually rebuild this farm system.

QUOTE(WHITESOXRANDY @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) well..we know that draft picks are useless to the Sox so I would hope to just get one young player with real good upside like Matt Murton. But, it all depends on the diraction the team is going. If Kenny is really trying to contend next year, they might as well re-sign Dye. Murton's not exactly young.

QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) Maybe blockbuster to D-backs with Garland for Quentin and spects? Halfway kidding but it would make sense to both sides with Randy Johnson out for the year. That would be a horrible deal.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:32 PM) Can't say I like this, given that we won't get much in return. I would've rather KW picked up his option and kept his LH bat and versatility... especially considering what we'll have in the OF next year. He was going to make too much money for a utility player. It's a shame, we never used him right. He should have been given more playing time in the infield. Oh well, at least he didn't have to deal with the embarassment of playing CF this year.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 06:09 PM) I'm sure you will be embarrased by your comments when you realize that Texeira has a year and 2 months on his contract (and maybe a club option, can't remember) and is a lot younger than Dye and is not hitting just .230. Dye, on the other hand, has 2 months left, is going on 34 and is hitting about .230. I realize that....and I wasn't comparing Dye to Tex. Rather, Garland is to Tex as Linebrink is to Dye.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:29 PM) ESPN radio said that the deal is pretty much done... fwiw. Completed or off the table?

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:27 PM) I just have to laugh. The Yankees should be sellers, not buyers. They're victims of their history, held hostage by the delusion that they should win it every year. They're 4 games back in the WC standings, and they've been playing great lately. They have just as good of a chance as anyone to win the WS this year.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:24 PM) And the Brewers team salary is at... I should have added some more to my thoughts there. The Brewers are not a team that has spent themselves into a corner. 9/10 teams that are competitive are in the upper brackets of spending and have painted themselves into a corner where they cannot afford to lose a chance at some prospect turning out, and are therefore holding on to any and all prospects that they have. I think it's the opposite, and teams like the Mets/Dodgers/Red Sox can afford to trade prospects because they know that if they have holes to fill, they can go out and buy players.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) That's not how it works. They would have to offer arbitration first. If the Sox then submit a $6 million figure in arbitration and Dye asks for $15 million, the arbitrator will figure if Dye is worth more or less than the $10.5 million middle mark of the 2 offers. If he thinks Dye's fair market value is $10,500,000.01 or higher, he would win. He will get $10-12 million easily if he accepted arbitration. You would just hope he signs with someone before you have to determine whether to offer it or not, or be prepared to pay. The main reason that I think KW will offer arbitration is because of the article in the Trib stating that KW was going to sleep on the decision about whether or not the draft picks he'd get from losing Dye were more valuable than the Red Sox package.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:18 PM) It is not BS when that is what everyone is looking for right now. Seriously, name one time that is not looking for/holding on to prospects. Everyone is looking for them right now because of the price of all other players. You get ridiculous Zito contracts and they realize they cannot afford to pay for all of these players. So, everyone goes and looks for the cheap, magical, cure. They have to now find those wonders that suddenly pop up and can play because they have priced themselves out of everything else by making the contracts too large. The Brewers gave up 3 of their top 10 pitching prospects in order to get a 2 month rental for a set-up man.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:16 PM) Dye can't run in the first place. What a lot of insiders are saying is the Sox aren't going to offer Dye arbitration. If that's the case, Pena and $$ is the way to go. Why wouldn't the Sox offer Dye arbitration? Don't you have to offer something like 80 pct of their salary from the year before? I'm sure in a worst-case scenario, we could afford like 6 million on him next year.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:11 PM) I think that it is more of a issue of how ridiculously overpriced propects are right now. That's such bulls*** though....it's such an excuse being stated by KW. Milwaukee and Atlanta had no problem giving up highly rated prospects for players. KW is HORRIBLE at trading veterans for prospects, end of story. I'm not looking forward to the excuses we'll hear in the press tonight if nothing happens.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:44 PM) I can't see him ever putting up anything higher than a .650 OPS, no this 93 AB stretch has not convinced me that he's a competent major league leadoff man. If the Sox expect to contend next season I really don't want to see Jerry Owens and his twig arms at the top of the lineup. Having Pods, Erstad, or Owens leading off for the 2008 Sox would be a great start to our run at getting 5th in the AL Central.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:39 PM) Delcarmen is off the table, and whoever thinks he's mediocre must really think there are at best 4 or 5 decent pitchers alive. A strikeout an inning a WHIP of 1.00, an ERA of 2.70 and he throws as hard as anyone on the White Sox. Yeah he sucks. Why would KW trade a guy hitting .230 making $7 million for him? The only chance we get Delcarmen possibly in a deal is if they get Gagne.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 04:28 PM) After tomorrow if we made this trade. It should be Owens in CF, Sweeney in RF, and WMP in LF. Pods should be either traded for a class A prospect or designated for assignment, Erstad should be designated for assignment. Like that will ever happen, given the way this horrible baseball season has gone?

Milwaukee is trying to get Gagne. If they got him, I wonder if we'd see the Dye for Turnbow deal discussed again. That would be just a horrific trade.

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 03:56 PM) Funny how all the Contreras talk died-with his arm I hope they are not taking valuable time trying to unload him or it died when Ozzie decided he would let him try and allow as many runs as possible every outing instead of trying even a little to salvage some respect for his ability.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 03:47 PM) Also according to Levine the Mets, Dodgers and Phillies are all very interested in Garland. The Sox are asking for the top 2-3 prospects from each's farm system, a top pitching prospect MUST be included. Nothing new really. Please no new trades with the Phillies. The Dodgers/Mets would be great trade partners though.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 03:44 PM) Well, I am now convinced that absolutely nothing will happen. Which would only solidfy my feeling that KW is not the right man to lead this semi-rebuilding project. He's never been good at trading veterans for minor leaguers.

Why in the world would Boston want Dye to sign an extension?

I can't wait to not trade Dye, because we had unrealistic expectations of his value, and get two compensation picks that allow us to draft another Miami of Ohio pitcher and a cheap signee.