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Quick thought: it would be ironic if Buehrle gets traded tomorrow, as it would be the one year anniversary of his start against the Cubs which was the beginning of the end of his season.

Santo, I saw you post this elsewhere, but I'm on the Willie Harris at 2nd base bandwagon for the Sox next year. You find a guy who can hit lefties that can platoon with him, and you have a perfect #9 hitter for the squad. He wouldn't cost much, and you could use your resources on guys at other positions. QUOTE(Chopper2Hopper @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 08:26 PM) Garland cruising! Shame he may not even be on this team much longer. How does this team not see what it has? Maybe they look at this offensive personnel and bullpen personnel and realize how far they are away from competing again?

Very smart play by PK, as if he went for the force out and then the play at 2nd base, the runner would have scored from home.

Cintron's swing is so pathetic this year. Everything seems to be a weak pop up.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 07:53 PM) Paulie is heating up. Probably the most idiotic thing continuously said on this site is that the contract we gave him is bad.

Tough luck for Brewers today, as they've been hitting rockets all over the place, but right at Cubs defenders.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 07:15 PM) I don't think anything Gavin did/does today would have an effect on Buehrle's situation with the White Sox unless he died or something If they didn't start Floyd today, it could be a sign that something is imminent and they'd need Floyd to come up and start.

FWIW, Gavin Floyd pitched today, and walked 6 guys in 5 innings. That makes me think Buehrle isn't getting traded in the next 24 hours. Two atrocious at-bats for AJ today.

Strained left rib muscle for Barbaro. Once again, thanks KW!

Luis Terrero sure sucks now as well.

QUOTE(Chopper2Hopper @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Well shucks, I was hoping for the housecleaning to begin. Soon enough I guess. Don't worry, it will probably be people we don't want to see traded.

Just have to hope there's nothing serious going on in terms of health or family things. Can we trade them Ozzie and Uribe for Bettancourt?

QUOTE(Chopper2Hopper @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 06:41 PM) Do we know for a fact he was injured? I've not heard anything about that. Maybe he was traded?!?! He looked to be walking gingerly heading back to the dugout after his deep fly ball. If he was a horse, he'd be put down by now.

I still don't understand why Cintron is on this team. He's a terrible player. And Pods getting injured when hitting a fly ball is too funny.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:31 PM) When don't they sign their high draft picks? They always do. Go back to Bobby Hill and Weaver and Seay, those are prob. the last ones. We haven't had a super high pick though in a long time. Those top picks require a good amount of money. If you don't trade Dye and Buehrle, then you're going to have 4 more sandwich picks that all would require a significant signing bonus to bring into the organization. QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:33 PM) Yes. He doesn't have to trade MB by Wed. Situations change, other teams may suddenly have needs to fill. Mets and Dodgers are really hurting for pitchers now. I agree we should wait a few weeks, but this whole issue going to the press might make it harder. Even Ozzie is saying he's sick of it.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:29 PM) Most likely, you see I really don't care about any of these guys unless they win. they are not winning now so figure out who stays and who goes. Who is old and who is part of the rebuilding. There are alot of questions. The thing that makes it worse is we have a lousy and I mean lousy farm system, with possibly only one player ready to make the jump. Thats the real problem. If anderson and sweeney were actaully any good and there was a pitcher or two that could make the jump with an ERA under 4 then we can move on. So, its very delicate right now. These next three days will tell the whitesox and the fans which way this team will rebuild. Blow the whole thing up. The division is too good over the next few years to try and compete and rebuild. It was my number 1 complaint about KW last offseason. He thought he could do both, and obviously failed miserably at helping the team on the field. Here's the question I have: how often do players actually decline a trade due to having a NTC? The Phil Nevin/Griffey Jr. trade is one of the few I can remember that fell through.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:24 PM) No what he needs to do is figure out if he is getting enough in return or if he should let it ride and take the two picks. Thats all. Thats the only question and that may take a while to figure out. Here's the thing...unless we open up the checkbook for the draft next year, all these possibly supplementary picks we'll have will be useless. We'll have to spend most of the budget on the first pick.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Thats right and if buerhle doesn't sign thats why i would begin trading garland right now or at the winter meetings. Now your rebuilding. But if you trade those guys, you better be trading Contreras, Thome, etc.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) Well when did we do that in the past with free agents. Thats not how we every built teams. Nothign has changed except your expectations. The players want money first, that brings their security blanket. next there wives get involved because they don't want to move and they want to live in there own house. Quite frankly if Buehrle wasn't married or his wife pregnant right now it wouldn't mean a damn thing. So this enters another dimension. Buehrle is askign for the clause, thats the right thing to do for his family. The sox countered with a limited clause, and they have very good and sound reasons for that. If they can't agree then its over. Good negotiation, good asks and good money. KW then should be judged on what he gets back. Sorry even Roger clemons bounced from team to team, same with maddox. Take emotion out of it. Agreed, but then KW needs to give the trading partner the 72 hour negotiating window so that we can get more in return. This last week proved that there's no chance we'll re-sign Buehrle this offseason, so you might as well capitalize on the situation and get the best package possible. I'm concerned that we're already hearing rumors that teams aren't willing to meet our demands, etc.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) So basically, give the players whatever they want. Not sure that works too well in the long run, or the short run for that matter. Nope, but you have to keep talent on your team once in a while. This Buehrle situation guarantees that Garland will be gone sooner than later also.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:06 PM) Fathom why so emotional? With the exception of this year the sox have been in contention for many years, they are usually one player short and its not necessarily the prime players. last year we won 90 games and we would have won the division if Buerhle was himself and andersen was slightly decent. We easily could have won 6 more games if not for those two underperformers alone. Once you get emotional about players every perspective gets lost except the emotion. Buerhle was going to get 14 million a year and a typical Buerhle season is about 14 or 15 wins. Thats a million dollars a win. I think that is pretty fair and who knows what the market will be later. Buehrle wants added security and the sox want a way out of the contract (via Trade) if they deem so at a particular time. I think thats fair as well. No team should be handcuffed. In fact I would argue the sox were handcuffed on contraras this year until he said he would waive his no trade to the mets. I am actually not siding with anyone but it seems that this contract with a limtied no trade clause is somewhere in the middle of what both wanted. In reality, it's not about Buehrle. I'm just puzzled as to how we can legitimately build a playoff contender without giving out NTC to our free agents, not getting into biddiing wars for top free agents, not going after Boras clients, and not going after draft picks well above slot money. I'm also not looking forward to seeing Vazquez and Contreras be our 1-2 pitchers.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) Again, woo hoo. I'd rather have Buehrle than an unproven draft pick. No, what he's saying is that we're going to have a very high pick in next year's draft, Buehrle or no Buehrle.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) I am going to go to the game Tuesday and Wednesday, and make a big sign that says: Buehrle (check) Buehrle's Money (check) NTC and Kenny's Brain (empty check box) I am embarassed to have Kenny Williams as our GM. Honestly, I would just give Buehrle the No-trade clause and let those who want one go because you can build a good team easier with Garland, Danks and young pitching. But hey, it'll be a long five years of rebuilding. We're talking about a four year deal, not a ten year deal here. It's obvious that the Sox really don't want to keep Buehrle that much. Didn't they know he was going to ask for a NTC.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 1, 2007 -> 05:52 AM) Shut your mouth Dye. You been fantastic in a White Sox uniform, don't spoil your image with snide remarks. He was swinging out of his ass all year in order to get his numbers up for the bigger payday. There's been a lot of crap behind the scenes with him since last offseason, and we should have moved him a month ago. KW was such a freaking idiot when he had that pathetic speech about how he's going to let all of his free agents from now on test the market.

Good luck signing any free agents if you're not going to give NTC. Between this policy and the Boras bulls***, it really makes you wonder how we'll ever get our talent level back up in today's market. I hope KW doesn't think he can build up from the farm system, as that could take like 5 years.