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QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:42 AM) Well we may not have a choice. Our outfield is easily the worst in baseball right now. We will see. Ozzie has already seen sweeney and andersen, and has not seen owens. what the heck the season is over anyway. The truck is slowly backing up. Worst outfield, and the worst double play combo up the middle. How does a 100 million dollar payroll team have so many holes?

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:42 AM) Their numbers are real close except for slugging percentage and, consequently, OPS. I remember Young started slowly, but he's committed two errors to Erstad's one. It's not as bad as you and a few more make it out to be. Holy cow, please don't bring up errors as a way to judge defense. Erstad didn't get an error for the debacle in Anaheim, as well as the game-deciding misplay he made against the Yankees. Chris Young's offense has been much better than Erstad this year, end of story. QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:48 AM) Decent stuff? He has great stuff, probably the best on the White Sox. But you're right, his downfall has been his lack of "fire" and very questionable pitch selections. I also wouldn't say he has no heart as he busts his ass day in and day out. I have heard nothing but great things about his work ethic. His stuff is deteriorating too quickly for my tastes. His fastball, which was once 94-95 mph, is now in the 89-91 mph range.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:36 AM) As much as I want Buerhle resigned, unless he agrees to a 3 year deal before the trade deadline, which isn't going to happen, and so a trade is going to have to be made, I'd prefer 2 major league ready prospects, and another mid-level guy. I'd want 2 pitchers, and one young offensive player who can step in, and it would really nice if he could play SS. The only way I could justify not trading him is if they move Dye, and Williams, who usually says what is on his mind, comes out and says that resigning Buerle would be at the top of our off-season priorites. Who cares if signing Buehrle is a top priority....once he gets to the open market, we're f***ed. We desperately wanted to bring back Colon, but we couldn't match the Angels offer.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:38 AM) So Vazquez is not a good pitcher? Nope, especially for the amount of money he's made in his career. He's never had a good season outside of Montreal, which was a great pitcher's park and he had no pressure on him.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:36 AM) Even if owens comes up I doubt Ozzie would put him leading off the guy has never hit major league pitching and he is still learning to steal bases. I speculate that maybe Iguchi will lead off, but what do I know. Nothign really except we have no minors worth a damn. Disagree....Ozzie loves his slappy/speed guys at the top of the order. You know I agree with you with how pathetic our minor league system is.

QUOTE(Allsox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:34 AM) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good one! Oh wait, you're serious? How can anyone say with a straight face that Erstad has been better than Chris Young this year? Maybe he was looking at the hitting starts for Chris Young, the pitcher on the Padres.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:34 AM) neither yet, although the idea behind this offseason's moves was absolutely baffling at the time, and the results are not surprising. Well said....this crap started during the offseason. KW isn't a good enough manager to try and build a WS contender AND get younger during the same offseason.

So now the battle cry will be: wait until July when Erstad and Pods are back!

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:25 AM) What's your problem with Vaz? That was a good extension considering what pitchers with worse stuff and track records got this offseason. And he is a good pitcher. Plus, Erstad has out-played Young this season..... Oh good grief, please tell me this is sarcasm.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:26 AM) There are only two more reasons to watch Sox baseball at this point, for me, besides the obvious "It's Sox baseball!" And one of them is gone in July. - Development of Danks - Thome's chase for 500 homers

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) I'm sure Anderson will step right into the lead off position and be a leader on the team, both in the field and at the plate. Personally, I'd like to see him get the chance again. If he shows no improvement at all this year, then you move him during the offseason. I don't feel like seeing Sweeney break his bat and ground out 3 times a game right now.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) Erstad walking better already, with the help of crutches. No bone damage, but ligament damage. He'll be out 2 months then, and likely won't be 100 pct the rest of the year. What middle infielder can we call up now?

Jermaine Dye and Mark Buehrle would be possibly the two best players available for a buyer.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:16 AM) fathom, I think you need to keep track of games or get rid of that silly signature. Ozzie's been quite good this year. He was good the first month, outside of that A's game. He's been miserable over the last few weeks, and his s*** off the field seems to have done nothing but made us even more lifeless.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:13 AM) Why do I smell Mark Buehrle for Lastings Milledge and some middle of the road pitcher? If we can make that middle of the road pitcher someone decent, then I'd have no problem. Of course, KW has to know that Buehrle won't be back then. Lastings is the type of high ceiling athlete we severely lack, and he also has the charisma to spark a team.

QUOTE(Allsox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:12 AM) The good thing is Buehrle upped his trade value for the firesale that's coming sooner than later. If we lose with Buehrle on the mound, I'd rather it be because he pitched bad.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:12 AM) are you whining about the series in minnesota, or are you suggesting Buehrle should've been pulled? Making fun of people who were complaining that if we used Jenks last night for "two" innings, he wouldn't have been able to pitch tonight.

It's a great thing that we preserved Jenks for tonight!!

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:01 AM) lol. So we admit he can't manage in-game...but WHERE THE f*** are his off the field tactics that are so great? We're a 100 million dollar payroll team that has played at a pace around 59 and 72 over our last 131 games.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:02 AM) You can hurt an ankle and not put weight on it initially and then recover quickly enough if there's nothing torn or anything. Didn't Hawk say there's no pain now?

Thanks for the motivation Ozzie....you're doing a great job with this team this year.

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 12:57 AM) Right now, who'd want Crede? Check out Chone Figgins stats, and then ask again.

I'm sure glad Iguchi took that weak-ass swing on the 3-1 count. A walk there would have been brutal.

QUOTE(Top Notch @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 12:56 AM) When are we going to start dismantling this team? During the offseason after the 2005 World Series.

You know it's bad when I hold Kenny Williams more accountable for this team sucking than Ozzie Guillen.