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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:53 PM) 3-4-5 would've scored yesterday in the 10th though. Make it stop

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:54 PM) If "your" going to have comebacks at least be aware he has had lots of problems in those non save situations and also it is very possible that he could have been rusty. But then again maybe "your" not aware of those subtleties. There is a game on tonite, yesterday is gone, there will be something for you to find wrong with Ozzie in this game, I'm sure of it. I see that all of the Ozzie haters like yourself apparantly have issues with people who have an opposing viewpoint and can back it up. I agree with WCSox that he does make mistakes but I also feel some of the criticism of his moves are knee jerk reactions by people who either don't have all the info, haven't considered all the possibilities, or maybe just maybe don't know the game all that well. First, this is a poorly coached team. Even if it's the players messing up, the coach needs to take responsiblity. Second, please stop saying Jenks was rusty. HE PITCHED ON FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!

Detroit has more hits against C.C. in 3 innings than we've had against him in 3 years I think.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:49 PM) This team is completly lost. 1st and 3rd 1 out guy is thrown out stealing........well at least DJ and Hawk think Erstad is godlike so he's gotta be good. That is as bad as it gets. Through 3 innings Halladay has three called strikes and 5 guys have swung at the first pitch. Nice job making the guy who hasn't pitched in 3 weeks work a little. This is just stupid. This team seems to have no baseball IQ.

Anytime you want to hit a non-minor league call-up Thome, feel free to. 3 for 26 with 2 doubles in games not started by someone named Colby.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 31, 2007 -> 11:40 PM) Where is Jerry Owens? I KNOW Mackowiak is embarassing, at least give Owens a chance to prove if he is or not. Have you seen Owens play? I laugh at everyone thinking how he'll come up here and make a big difference. Mackowiak's actually been hitting well lately....it's just his base running has been idiotic. Erstad running in that situation is so stupid, it's not even funny. If Iguchi strikes out or pops up, then you take the bat out of Thome's hands if Erstad is safe at 2nd. That's a perfect example of how Ozzieball is incredibly worthless with this personnel.

f*** this team. Rob Mackowiak seems to get thrown out at home once a week also. At least things aren't predictable.

This just gets worse and worse. I don't know how we'd ever survive without Erstad's baseball IQ.

Ha, this is pathetic coaching. Way to know the situation Mackowiak. Nice to see Erstad do the job.

Nice to see some opposite field hits. Gotta get both runs in.

Toronto has some impressive reliever ERAs so far this year.

Another two out run. Super! This isn't even close to being entertaining anymore.

How many double plays is that for AJP this year? Seems like it's been about 10 in the last two weeks.

No matter how much Halladay shuts us down, remember this: Jenks is fresh tonight!

The harder we throw, the more we blow

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:49 PM) If the White Sox are counting on anything from Barbaro the rest of this season, they need to go to therapy. Looks like my nickname is catching on! I'm already sick of hearing the excuses for his bad play when he returns.....and it hasn't even happened yet.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:53 PM) Oh okay, so you don't use your best reliever in the most crucial situation when the leverage is highest. Thanks. And for the argument that he wouldn't be available tonight: I think avoiding the sweep against your main AL Central rival is more important than a possible save opportunity in the first game of a 4 game series against Toronto.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ May 31, 2007 -> 06:42 PM) Look, I didn't mean to offend you Fathom. Nor was it an attack. I feel Ozzie has a target on his head when the Sox lose. I think more onus needs to be put on the players than Ozzie. Does Ozzie make mistakes...yes. But I think he has made more good moves than bad. Fair enough....we can all agree that we just want to see them win at a greater rate than they have since last year's ASB. Maybe we had been spoiled by the success of the 2005 season and the first half of 2006....but we all expect more from this organization than what we've seen.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ May 31, 2007 -> 06:22 PM) And then when Jenks gives up the winning run in his second inning of work this place will scream for Ozzie's head again. "Doesn't he know Jenks wouldn't perform well in the second inning of work!?!" I have come to the conclusion about those who hate Ozzie... If Ozzie sneezes, you say he should have coughed. He'll never do anything right. I'm shocked at this comment. Anyways, go back and read the game thread. This wasn't a case of second guessing by anyone. Also, for as long as Jenks has been with this team, I've been saying that I'd rather lose with him on the mound than anyone else. At least he makes the other team earn it. He has a history of not walking hitters in big situations and doesn't allow homers. For the usuals who keep sticking up for Ozzie at every turn, what's it going to take for you to start to question if he's the right man for this organization and where they want to go?

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ May 31, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) This thread's not about Marriotti; just Ozzie's quotes. Thanks. Yep, I haven't even read Marriotti's article. I saw the quotes Ozzie made in the AL Central thread, and it was disturbing.

QUOTE(Shadows @ May 31, 2007 -> 05:12 PM) Yes, in football when you only have 16 games you have to make the overall best decision every time or you're f***ed.. its not the same in baseball and I am not saying that doesn't mean you don't have to play to win, however, whose to say that Jenks doesn't give up a hit or a walk? How can everyone just assume Jenks comes in and shuts Hunter down? There's no way to assume he gets out Hunter. However, if Hunter does beat Jenks in that situation, Jenks is still fine for tonight. For about the 100th time, Ozzie made the right call in bringing in MacDougal to start the inning. However, once it was in the situation with bases loaded, and 2 outs, I severely disagreed with him bringing in Aardsma. Hunter has already had two huge hits against him this year, and Aardsma doesn't have the good offspeed stuff you need to fool Hunter. In the end, it's just another game that this team has blown. That falls on everyone's head.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2007 -> 05:04 PM) And then Jenks has to go a second inning, at least, and historically Jenks doesn't preform very well in that next inning. Has he even tried to go more than one inning this year? And don't forget, he would have only been facing one batter in the 9th inning no matter what. Coming in and throwing 9 warm-up pitches and 6 pitches or so to Hunter is the same as warming up in between innings in the bullpen. I just think that Ozzie needs to do his best to get MacDougal and Aardsma more action in non-pressure situations in order to get their confidence up.

QUOTE(Wedge @ May 31, 2007 -> 04:55 PM) I thought Fields was a 3B? I agree that'd actually be a good start. Out of Dye, Thome, Konerko, and Crede we probably need to get rid of 2 and replace them with some guys with at least a shred of speed on the basepaths. That makes Crede a deadman and my guess is that we'd keep Konerko and Thome out of that group. Sorry, meant to say 3b. QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ May 31, 2007 -> 04:54 PM) Not to rehash the 9th inning yesterday but the fact that Nathan threw about 9 pitches in the top half of the inning and he was going to pitch the 10th and the White Sox hadn't gotten a hit in 6 plus innings lead me to believe that Guillen was being rational about the situation. If you throw Jenks for the 9th and 10th he is done for today and the chances are you have lost he and Thorton for a game today that we may have a better chance of winning. Guillen wanted to see what Aardesma could do he rolled the dice but he is rationale. The way the White Sox are hitting they most likely were not going to hit nathan yesterday. Today Jenks is ready to go if needed. I could see using him yesterday but I also could see him not using him in that situation. You play to win the game (thanks Herman). If Jenks retires Hunter, then you have our 3-4-5 coming up, and the Twins have their bottom of the order coming up in the bottom of the inning.

The biggest legitimate shake-up this team could make is trading Crede and bringing up Fields to play 3b.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 31, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) And I think the reality is Ozzie has to get frustrated because this is the second straight year he's managing an offense that completely doesn't fit his style (and we can argue whether his style is right or wrong, but I've said all along you got to give a manager what he likes. This is a great point. This offense, combined with how Ozzie wants to manage, is a terrible combination. That's why KW and Ozzie deserve a lot of blame for how things have fallen so fast in the last 120 games or so. As you keep saying, we need more athletes. Teams usually have athletic 2b and SS....we clearly don't.