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That inning symbolizes a lot of our problems this year. Leadoff guy gets on, you get a 2 out hit, and you still don't score after the called 3rd strike.

I'm just thrilled that Ozzie played Sandy over AJP today. Does Ozzie not read his own quotes about playing his normal starting 9, besides Ozuna today, for this entire road trip?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) Now that I can agree with. I think he should have been given the chance right away this year, but the trade for Javy blew that. I think that KW didn't believe he was going to re-sign both Garland and Contreras in the offseason, and he was planning on trading one of them if they didn't re-sign. Once they both re-signed, KW got caught with his pants down.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:24 PM) Look, Javy's been a tool. We all know that. It's an understatement, in fact. But, given the situation as it exisits TODAY he has to stay where he is. I hate to say it, but Javy's going to be here a while. Now Freddy, on the other hand... I completely agree with this. And there's no doubt in my mind I'd rather have Vazquez next year than Garcia.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:21 PM) He got absolutely torched his first stint up. When he came back in September, he was decent, but he won't do it again this season for two reasons - 1 - he isn't stretched out, and 2 - he's been scouted now and he will be eaten alive in a starter's role if he's put there this season. I know it's a lost cause for him to start the rest of this season. I put absolutely no stock into his first few starts last year, as he wasn't pitching with all of his pitches. When he came back up, he was showing that he could definitely be an effective starter at this level. If we're going to judge guys based on how they looked when they first came up, then KW should have never let Brian Anderson be our starting CF at the beginning of this year after how awful he looked last year.

We'd be winning this division if the Tigers finalized that trade with Arizona for Vazquez over the offseason.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:18 PM) Cant totally blame Javy for this one, PK has had a rough game, and Pablo's D in LF has been far from impressive. He still gave up 4 rocket hits that inning.

QUOTE(G&T @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:18 PM) Mental mistakes. There were two that inning, by throwing to the wrong base, it took away DP chances and made the inning worse. Luckily the play at home saved a run, but those mistakes are ridiculous. If Tim Raines is in charge of our base running and outfield defense this season, then I'm thrilled he's not being brought back next season.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:17 PM) When anyone of those guys start, its a crapshoot. Jose and Jon are the only consistent pitchers we have. Its gonna be tough down the stretch thats for sure.........Alright we need to try and chip away here, we still have a SLIGHT chance in this one, but we cant afford to give up anymore runs Contreras has been anything but consistent over the past few months.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:16 PM) He's the anti-stopper. I swear to God he's an automatic starter of losing streaks. Here's the question I would love to hear answered: what did McCarthy not do last season that made KW/Ozzie feel like he couldn't be a starting pitcher this season?

QUOTE(Wedge @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) As bad as Javy was, really the defense didn't help him much. PK's error and two poor decisions on throws from the outfield contributed to this mess, too. For as good as our defense was last year, it has sucked this season. Even plays that aren't being called errors are really putting us in a bad position.

QUOTE(G&T @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:15 PM) Nothing is even moving anymore. Everything is nice and flat. He can't believe KW was suckered into believing this perennial loser was going to turn things around for us.

The good news it that Vazquez's next start will be against this same Twins team!

As someone else on this site has noted, Vazquez is the momentum killer.

3 straight batters for the Twins have swung at the first pitch. Can we please never see Sandy catch for Vazquez?

Every single offspeed pitch this inning has been up in the zone. Uribe should have made that play...but what else is new for our defense?

Another hanger...and some more bad defense. Vazquez has such a losing mentality.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:09 PM) he threw him a meat ball and got away with it. Alright, change down and away, and hope he bites He's thrown quite a few this inning.

This umpire has absolutely no strike zone on the corners.

Good base running by the Twins. I wouldn't mind pitching around Punto here to try and set up the DP.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:01 PM) And here's where the wheels fall off. Remember how the inning started? I wonder if Ozzie will bench him for taking his offensive failure out onto the field? QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 07:03 PM) It's not going to get any better with Juan Pierre out there next year. I don't think we'll get him. He'll want to play CF, and some team will give him like 7 mil a year.

Some bad baseball being played this inning. No surprise, but Vazquez is about to give up a run after we get the lead. I'm so f***ing sick of this debacle of defense being played in LF.

Wake up PK! That's a terrible start to this inning. The Tigers traded for Neifi.

QUOTE(SEALgep @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 06:36 PM) I think someone missed the point... I totally understand the comments....it's just not necessary to single out someone like Mulder.

QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 06:55 PM) PK looks like he has no chance. I wonder if Gload could have fared better vs Santana We should trade for Eduardo Perez, and play him somewhere against tough lefties. QUOTE(CYGarland @ Aug 20, 2006 -> 06:55 PM) PK looks like he has no chance. I wonder if Gload could have fared better vs Santana That would require us trying something different against Santana. OH NO! The Tigers made a trade.